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Subject: Abuse at Syro Malabar Church
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Sent: Sun, Jul 3, 2011 8:50 am
Subject: Abuse at Syro Malabar Church
An apology from Save Syromalabar forum to syormalabar cathoics of America. For Fr. Antony Thundathil’s(our appointed VG) for his non canonical/pastoral and anti- catholic/syro Malabar activities and working against teachings of Church/Synod decisions
> Abuse at Church- Financial, property, resource
1.The parish councils is hijacked by few people for their personal interest. It is continuing for almost last 10 years. You see, the same members or their spouses/siblings, children/parents or grand parents of certain families on rotation basis continuing in parish councils. Or few people are nominated with out any qualification. No new members. Most of His pastoral administrations were against diocesan policies, bishops/synod/ Holy see’s directives, and biblical/church teachings. Since you don’t know what these parameters, no issues. If any one knows it and questions,He knows know how to deal, those are out now from Church and its premises. The qualification to become a member of parish councils, to drink, should have history of penvanihban, pay childcare, pay money etc.
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The parish council is never informed or discussed any important activities/construction even if it is thousands of dollars involved. Does our Church is any ones family property/trust?
2. No control over Church date base- information of you finance and privacy, and Fr. Thundahtil was not given the password of database. CPAs(they have no roles in church) permanently occupy the parish rooms for their personal business, against thudathils’ directives and church policies.
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2a. Our Church/parish has around 6million debt now+ interest and almost 1200 families, that means each family has to pay $6000.00(average)- a contribution of our CPAs and myself Do you think you, you have any right for sacraments, catechism with out money?
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3. Sex/drug/alcohol abuse at Church premises by some prominent man and women and their children.
4. Fraud/commission/kick back/corruption in purchase materials-granite from kerala for church construction and now. None of the purchase done through proper channel, with a approval from any committee.
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5. Plaque distribution at time of inauguration- was with out any approval of parish council and against Thundathil's and parish councils' directive. $28000.0 spends on this. Even some committees functioned with out any approval or even knowledge of parish council.
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6. Corruption in installing the security cameras. it is with out any approval of parish council and with out calling a tender. No proper account on this the parish council never discussed/discussed/informed on this ?
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7. Thundathil need to explain how much money from Construction fund diverted to buy house at Glenview, for his society. Who approved it?
8.Ordering food for clergy on Sundays. Main consumers are CPAs, their family, children/ boy/girl friends etc (for 2/ 4 clergy, food is ordered for average 50 people
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9. Thundathil’s superiors asked him to return to kerala, ( MST policy allows only 5 years out side India, by its priest)and bishop gave me the relieving letter in December 2010, but the CPAs helped to get appointed as VG, to protect their interest in diocese. Our CPAs send a delegation with a memorandum- signed by you all, to Bishop to keep hereit self. Our bishop listened their advice; though he wants appoint Fr. Melapuram as VG, will make the diocese as corporate company of CPAs.
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10. We regret that and protest on Fr. Antony’s appointment as vicar general of dioceses. Thundathil was send to Rome for higher studies, but discontinued due to certain issues. he submitted theses to Seminary in Bangalore, but faculty declined it because of certain issues( please find out those issues). More over his relationship with other priest including his own society priests is scandal to the community. Though, Fr. Joiji was the assitant here at the time of construction of Church what happened his photo in Directory? Diocese needs a Vicar general who can take appropriate decisions with sound mind. We are concerned about his ability on this. His relationship to few families is not the parameter to become VG. The diocesan authorities should not treat the faithful as idiot.. We do not believe that diocese has crises/shortage for getting qualified priests. It is better to send back the priests to their mother diocese/ congregations after 10-year of service here. Let us give chances to other priests/dioceses/congregation TO MAKE SOME MONEY .
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11. Syro-Malabar Identity- Do you think it is true ? , it is for just power, What identity- way to cheat you guys. Now we are spending $96000.00, in reinstalling the veil against the synod decision of 11/1999, Pope, /Holy see/ synod directions. What Holy see/synod decision? We are not supposed to follow Changanacherry or Ernakulam diocesan policies. What will happen on tomorrow, if both dioceses follow the synod decision, What we will do? Or do we believe that Dogma, Synod decions, traditions, theology and spirituality are means to exploit of people and for the luxuries life of priest. I want see now, how our bishop will talk to people on identity? He removed the veil from Church. What is his new theology, As of now, we talking to our Children that we Eastern Church, and per our theology Alter is the holy of the holy places, and what will be new theology? We doubt that bishop does not know what he is doing these days. If he can not follow the directions of Holy see/Rome, better he may resign and inform the oriental congregation, that will be better for Church and people, children and future generations.
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12. Recently Thundathil nominated/approved few parish council member because some of them are proved that they expert in copying answers bible quiz 2010( one female +2) and he promoted. Why he appoint same members again and again to parish council, where there are over 1200 families are there. A good number of parish councils, alter men are crooked hypocrates, involved in many illegal issues, including cheating others.
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13. Because of Fr. Thundahtils s nasty behavior in last 10 years several families left our Church, many joined in Pentecostal groups.10 years he protect our Children/ youth from having any vocation to priest hood. How wonder role preist he was. He should appointed as Archbishop, not as VG
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14. He proved that He is professional liar and our Bishop and his superiors honored him. Bishop promoted me as VG. Most of you know his expertise and the impact of his behavior, at alter, parish council meetings, ward meeting and association meeting.
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15. His statement at alters that “Do not come across I 290 or St.Charels Rd, to control me. If you want come to attend Mass, come, but you must pay. Payment is basic standard for everything in our church- History repeats, do you want to happen it happened in European church, to syro malabar church
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Please awake, if you feel to protect your Church join with us. If any one need further information/evidence will be provided.
Why no pothuyogam at convenient time majority of people can attend??
Save Syro Malabar forum
> Abuse at Church- Financial, property, resource
1.The parish councils is hijacked by few people for their personal interest. It is continuing for almost last 10 years. You see, the same members or their spouses/siblings, children/parents or grand parents of certain families on rotation basis continuing in parish councils. Or few people are nominated with out any qualification. No new members. Most of His pastoral administrations were against diocesan policies, bishops/synod/ Holy see’s directives, and biblical/church teachings. Since you don’t know what these parameters, no issues. If any one knows it and questions,He knows know how to deal, those are out now from Church and its premises. The qualification to become a member of parish councils, to drink, should have history of penvanihban, pay childcare, pay money etc.
>
The parish council is never informed or discussed any important activities/construction even if it is thousands of dollars involved. Does our Church is any ones family property/trust?
2. No control over Church date base- information of you finance and privacy, and Fr. Thundahtil was not given the password of database. CPAs(they have no roles in church) permanently occupy the parish rooms for their personal business, against thudathils’ directives and church policies.
>
2a. Our Church/parish has around 6million debt now+ interest and almost 1200 families, that means each family has to pay $6000.00(average)- a contribution of our CPAs and myself Do you think you, you have any right for sacraments, catechism with out money?
>
3. Sex/drug/alcohol abuse at Church premises by some prominent man and women and their children.
4. Fraud/commission/kick back/corruption in purchase materials-granite from kerala for church construction and now. None of the purchase done through proper channel, with a approval from any committee.
>
5. Plaque distribution at time of inauguration- was with out any approval of parish council and against Thundathil's and parish councils' directive. $28000.0 spends on this. Even some committees functioned with out any approval or even knowledge of parish council.
>
6. Corruption in installing the security cameras. it is with out any approval of parish council and with out calling a tender. No proper account on this the parish council never discussed/discussed/informed on this ?
>
7. Thundathil need to explain how much money from Construction fund diverted to buy house at Glenview, for his society. Who approved it?
8.Ordering food for clergy on Sundays. Main consumers are CPAs, their family, children/ boy/girl friends etc (for 2/ 4 clergy, food is ordered for average 50 people
>
9. Thundathil’s superiors asked him to return to kerala, ( MST policy allows only 5 years out side India, by its priest)and bishop gave me the relieving letter in December 2010, but the CPAs helped to get appointed as VG, to protect their interest in diocese. Our CPAs send a delegation with a memorandum- signed by you all, to Bishop to keep hereit self. Our bishop listened their advice; though he wants appoint Fr. Melapuram as VG, will make the diocese as corporate company of CPAs.
>
10. We regret that and protest on Fr. Antony’s appointment as vicar general of dioceses. Thundathil was send to Rome for higher studies, but discontinued due to certain issues. he submitted theses to Seminary in Bangalore, but faculty declined it because of certain issues( please find out those issues). More over his relationship with other priest including his own society priests is scandal to the community. Though, Fr. Joiji was the assitant here at the time of construction of Church what happened his photo in Directory? Diocese needs a Vicar general who can take appropriate decisions with sound mind. We are concerned about his ability on this. His relationship to few families is not the parameter to become VG. The diocesan authorities should not treat the faithful as idiot.. We do not believe that diocese has crises/shortage for getting qualified priests. It is better to send back the priests to their mother diocese/ congregations after 10-year of service here. Let us give chances to other priests/dioceses/congregation TO MAKE SOME MONEY .
>
11. Syro-Malabar Identity- Do you think it is true ? , it is for just power, What identity- way to cheat you guys. Now we are spending $96000.00, in reinstalling the veil against the synod decision of 11/1999, Pope, /Holy see/ synod directions. What Holy see/synod decision? We are not supposed to follow Changanacherry or Ernakulam diocesan policies. What will happen on tomorrow, if both dioceses follow the synod decision, What we will do? Or do we believe that Dogma, Synod decions, traditions, theology and spirituality are means to exploit of people and for the luxuries life of priest. I want see now, how our bishop will talk to people on identity? He removed the veil from Church. What is his new theology, As of now, we talking to our Children that we Eastern Church, and per our theology Alter is the holy of the holy places, and what will be new theology? We doubt that bishop does not know what he is doing these days. If he can not follow the directions of Holy see/Rome, better he may resign and inform the oriental congregation, that will be better for Church and people, children and future generations.
>
12. Recently Thundathil nominated/approved few parish council member because some of them are proved that they expert in copying answers bible quiz 2010( one female +2) and he promoted. Why he appoint same members again and again to parish council, where there are over 1200 families are there. A good number of parish councils, alter men are crooked hypocrates, involved in many illegal issues, including cheating others.
>
13. Because of Fr. Thundahtils s nasty behavior in last 10 years several families left our Church, many joined in Pentecostal groups.10 years he protect our Children/ youth from having any vocation to priest hood. How wonder role preist he was. He should appointed as Archbishop, not as VG
>
14. He proved that He is professional liar and our Bishop and his superiors honored him. Bishop promoted me as VG. Most of you know his expertise and the impact of his behavior, at alter, parish council meetings, ward meeting and association meeting.
>
15. His statement at alters that “Do not come across I 290 or St.Charels Rd, to control me. If you want come to attend Mass, come, but you must pay. Payment is basic standard for everything in our church- History repeats, do you want to happen it happened in European church, to syro malabar church
>
Please awake, if you feel to protect your Church join with us. If any one need further information/evidence will be provided.
Why no pothuyogam at convenient time majority of people can attend??
Save Syro Malabar forum
13 comments:
Why do we need this crap in USA?
Wait for a letter from Bishop justifying the appointment of Fr.Thundathil as VG, removing the veil etc.
As long as Fr.Zach is here, Fr.Melepuram is not going to be VG.
After all , if "parish council is not informed" why you guys are still paying to the church?
Parish Council emphasizes these concepts only,
1. it is the people's parish,
2. not of the priest's.
3. The priest cannot and must not run things priests way ,
4. he is here for a short time, like a bird of passage,
5. it must be the people who are responsible for running the parish and its various activities.
Every church members have the right to be in the parish council and general body supersedes everything within the parish.
That is the laity has only the power, not the priest.
Chicago parish council is elected or selected , you decide!!
Nominating people who will support anything or anyone for getting recognition and good name from priest is totaly wrong and has to stop from all syro churches immediately.
ഒരുകാര്യം ഒഴിച്ച് ഈവര്ഷത്തെ തിരുന്നാള് വളരെ ഭംഗി ആയിരുന്നു. തിരുന്നാള് നൈറ്റില് കച്ചറ അകാടമ്യിലെ
അങ്ങങ്ങല്ലുടെ പേര് വില്ലിച്ചു കൂവി ജനങ്ങല്ലേ ബുധുമുട്ടിച്ചുകൊണ്ടിരുന്നു. കച്ചേര കംമിട്യില് ഇല്ലാത്ത
പോങ്ങച്ചകാരന് എമ്സീ സിനു മ്യ്കില്ലുടെ കിടന്നല്ലരുന്നുണ്ടായിരുന്നു. ഈ വെക്തിക് നോര്മലായി
മനുഷ്യരെപോലെ സംസരിച്ചുകുടെ. ഇവിടുത്തെ ചില പൈസകരുടെ കാലുനക്കി പലയിടത്തും ആല്ലാവാന് ശ്രമിക്കുന്നു. ഇവന്റെ പോങ്ങച്ചകരി ഭാര്യ ഒരു പോകു കേസാന്നെന്നു എല്ലാരും പറയുന്നു. ഈ അട്ടകരിത്യുടെ പൂര്വകാല കഥകള് ഉടന് പ്രസിദ്ധീകരിക്കുന്നതാണ്
Tom Varkey Said ...
In Titus 1:7 we read: "A Bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfish, not easily angered, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy profits." When you think that this is the standard that the Bible lays out for our priests and bishops, it is such a pathetic picture that we see in Chicago. After seeing what was going on in the Jerusalem temple, Jesus told the money-changers and those who were selling doves and sacrifice animals that "they had made God's place of worship into a den of thieves." Unfortunately, this second verse is true in the case of the Chicago Cathedral as well as most of the other churches within the Syro-Malabar Diocese of Chicago. For anyone who looks at the total picture, it is clear that for our Syro-Malabar hierarchy its work is cut out for them. They need to live a blameless life by avoiding corruption and being examples to their flock by staying away from the many things that they are presently engaged in which make them so unholy. The least of this would be their wasting of time and precious resources of the Diocese by making constant and unholy modifications to the church sanctuary in such a non-Biblical manner.
THE CAUSE
Just as the clergy declares themselves very important we must declare ourselves very important.
Reasons:
1.. God entrusted us with money and hold us accountable as to how we spend it.
2.. All humans are children of God and are equal in front of Him.
So we must decide as to how we spent the money.
Do not give any money or any authority over any accounts to clergy other than the money for their personal expenses.
Otherwise you will be accountable for helping along their distractions and mismanagement.
Hold back money so that they can concentrate on helping us spiritually.
1Timothy 3:1-12
1. This saying is trustworthy: 2 whoever aspires to the office of bishop desires a noble task.
2. Therefore, a bishop must be irreproachable, married only once, temperate, self-controlled, decent, hospitable, able to teach,
3. not a drunkard, not aggressive, but gentle, not contentious, not a lover of money.
4. He must manage his own household well, keeping his children under control with perfect dignity;
5. for if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how can he take care of the church of God?
6. He should not be a recent convert, so that he may not become conceited and thus incur the devil's punishment. 3
7. He must also have a good reputation among outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, the devil's trap.
8. Similarly, deacons must be dignified, not deceitful, not addicted to drink, not greedy for sordid gain,
9. holding fast to the mystery of the faith with a clear conscience.
10. Moreover, they should be tested first; then, if there is nothing against them, let them serve as deacons.
11. Women, 5 similarly, should be dignified, not slanderers, but temperate and faithful in everything.
12 Deacons may be married only once and must manage their children and their households well.
http://3847.brinkster.net/t2001.htm
Why do you think the bishopes and priests of Orthadox churches are growing beard?
Ans; They are suppose to concentrate on spirutual matters rather than material love and attraction. At the same time growing beard is not the complete answer to spirituality.
When I see some of the Kerala priests with 80 gram gold chains, back dye on the hair and so on ...., you may complete it.
Let us not forget that they took the Oath to serve God and man, but in America we the laithe is Serving them and distracting them from the spiritual life.
DO NOT SPOIL THEM BY DONATING TOO MUCH MONEY.
thanks.
What the hell is this Tom Varkey talking about? He may be talking sense but the context is not appropriate for this. Please do not bore people by inserting your comments at the wrong place.
I'm wondering why no one is going to court, this is US and not Kerala. Why we "desis" show the same crappy attitude even after seeing the orderly, transparent monetary handling of American Roman churches.
This blog has been existing for years now, but unless you move through the legal system these bastards won't comply. It can help to a certain extend but not beyond that.
LEADERSHIP
There are many people who understands the situation, but not enough leadership.
A few men and women who are conscientious, brave, realistic, and with good people skills, and also has enough time and energy to devote is what we need to straighten up.
അങ്ങാടിയത് പിതാവിന് വിരിയോടു ഉള്ള പ്രേമം കാരണം, ചിക്കാഗോ അരമനയിലെ അള്ത്താര രൂപ കൂട് ആയി മാറി
സീരൊ മലബാര് വൊയിസ് നമ്മുദെ ബിഷപ്പിനെയും അച്ചന്മാരെയും വിമര്ഷിക്കുന്നതുകൊന്ദായിരിക്കും ഇത്തവന എതായലും തിരുനാളിന് അവര് പുതിയ വൊയിസിനെ എഴുന്നള്ളിച്ചത്. ക്നാനായവൊയിസും അവരുദെ കെരളാ വോയിസും ഇത്തവണ പള്ളി നിരങ്ങി. ബിഷപ്പിനും അച്ചന്മാറ്ക്കും പിന്നെ പ്രസുദെന്തിക്കും സന്തൊഷം . തിരുനാള് ലൈവ് ആയി കാണിച്ചില്ലേ...പിന്നെ എന്നാ വേണം . ഏതൊക്കെ വോയിസ് വന്നാലും സീറൊമലബാര് വോയിസ് ശ്ഹകതമായി തന്നെ പോകണം . ലൈവ് ആയി കാണിക്കുന്നതു നല്ലതാ. അവിടുത്തെ കുട്ടകളി വീട്ടില് ഇരുന്നു കാണാമല്ലൊ. പിന്നെ വേണ്ടങ്ങില് ഓഫ് ചെയ്തിട്ടു പോകുകയും ചെയ്യാം .
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