Developing Story
There is the beginning of a serious sectarian and communal fight in Syro-Malabar community in Coppell, Texas, in regards to their newly purchased church.
The issue, as usual, is the Claver cross and Sheela. As can be expected the bishop alone is the trouble maker.
The issue, as usual, is the Claver cross and Sheela. As can be expected the bishop alone is the trouble maker.
Demand from the bishop to install the above heretical symbols have raised an unprecedent storm of dissent in the community. They are one hundred percent united against the bishop's sneaky move. That includes their parish priest.
There are fighters for, and traitors of, the true Crucifix.
Fighters are too numerous to name, while traitors like Saju Sebastian, A. V. Thomas and Thomas Perincherimannil are a minority. They are the lackeys of the bishop, pooling their resources to damn this community, aiming for their own self-promotion.
The parish priest and Kaikkarans have been summoned by the bishop for an emergency consultation. As a matter of fact they arrived here on March 2.
Thus far no compromise has been reached.
Meanwhile the evil-possessed bishop has frozen all activities in regards to remodeling and refurbishing of the rectory and altar, which was approved and planned by the pastoral council. In the meantime, the community will continue as a Mission under the Garland parish, maintaining the status quo.
The consecration of the new church is currently in limbo.
In-depth report soon. We are working on it.
43 comments:
I am a believer.
Watch out these guys in their holy dress.
The Bishop is anti-Catholic, not truthful to the faithful; the Syro Malabar Hierarchy needs to excommunicate him from his position. He degraded our centuries old faith and loyalty to the Global Catholic church. He is really buffoon playing with Kaduppil, two other priests recently transferred to and out of Texas and the Chicago Vicar. All these crooks are really our enemies. I do not know how they could stand every Sunday in front of the congregation and preach without any shame.
The Syro Malabar Church in USA under Bishop Angadiath is violating our freedom of religious practices in USA.
Thanks for the Update Guys!!
What have we earned with the Powathil Agenda so far ? The church is to bring peace and harmony amongst the believers!!. How much of the water has been made muddy in the name of Nestorian "heritage" !!
Still the hidden agenda is to rebuild all Churches in the Changanacherry diocese and establish the Veil and Cross. They have succeeded to a certain extent with that and the priests with backbone who opposed those have gotten old. The new puppets are trying their best to implent those plans !!
People still ruminate the Good old days of Archbishop Padiyara.That's the grace and sermon laymen need from bishops.
bishop............no words about his steps.this was a church where people from diffrent places were leading a good life.we did not have any problems in between us.but we have it now after bishop send a letter to our church to install his curtain and marthoma cross.what is this church for?to keep the people together or to divide?i am not ready to judge....
let us think.......
what we teach our children?
The symbol of evils - curtain and pegan cross should not be allowed in the church. This is our church
The Bishop is under the influence of Satan. If they applied their seminary education properly then they could have behave properly, think appropriately and could have interpret the word of God neatly for the faithful. The faithful are far better than the bishop, Chicago Vicar and the Fr. Kaduppil. The Syro Malabar church flourishes only through family oriented faithful who brought up kids and lead family life. The SMC church authorities in USA are real shame to all the Indian Catholics around the world. Elevation of the Mar Thoma cross above the crucifix itself proves their lack of education and biblical precept. They are really fake and crook to loot and destroy.
Think yourself
What is the purpose of the purple cloth? It is a symbol of Bishops foolishness.
Why we need two crosses in Alter? There should not be a rebellious Claver cross in the Alter.
Is it making the church much holy and pretty? The scary Ring, purple cloths and the rebellious cross make the church unholy.
What bible says?
“There is none other name under Heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” Acts 4:12
There is only one Name that the saints adore—Jesus,
There is only one Name that the angels sing— Jesus, the Lord of Glory;
I AM A MEMBER IN THIS CHURCH.THIS BISHOP AND HIS 2 CHAMCHAAS MAKE THIS CHURCH A HELL.THEY ARE TRYING TO SCREW THE DECISION OF GENERAL BODY.IT IS HAPPENING IN USA WHERE WE CELIBRATE DEMOCRATIC FREEDOM.OLDEST DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY.............
WHY THIS GUYS CAME HERE FROM KERALA TO DIVIDE US?
IT IS GOING TO BE A DISASTER
I DONT KNOW WHO IS BEHIND THIS FROM CHICAGO.BUT FROM HERE IT LOOK LIKE AN OLD MAN WITH PEOPLE CALL SOME CHAIRMAN AND PEOPLE SAYS THAT HE IS TRYING TO BE CHAIRMAN AGAIN BY PLAYING DIRTY GAME WITH BISHOP.I DONT KNOW HIS FULL NAME. AND ANOTHERONE IS TRUSTEE.HE LOOKS LIKE A DIRTY GAMER.BUT NO ETHICS IN HIS LIFE.HE CHANGE HIS WORDS ALWAYS.THAT IS WHAT I SEEN IN POTHUYOGAM AND DOSINT HESITATE TO BE A 3RD TYPE NAPUMSAKHAM.AND HE ALWAYS TELL LIES.........
MAY GOD FORGIVE FOR WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO THIS COMMUNITY.
I think this kaikaran is an idiot.he want positions always.he played a game for it last time.He want his family in church positions always.Now he is behind destroying this church by dividing people.I think he is trying to sack the parish priest the one who is the back born of this community.
That old man is also looks like a curckid fellow.but i still need to ensure it.He is trying to make some kind of disturbence in community.whn he was there in garland church,he was a looser there too.
Why he play this game?
Looks like he dont know the pulse of youth who magrated recently.looks like he is a rotton egg
Fellow Parishners,
Let us re-convene General Body meeting.let adherents of Crucifix and adherents of Mar Thoma Sleeba cross have a open and meaningful discussion about the significance of both crosses. We all can then conduct a vote, by ballot slips, to know the majority opinion of all the parishners.where there is a credible evidence of count, of majority/minority opinion, has to which cross should be placed at the centre of our church Altar. This is not only by personal opinion,but this is according to the declarations of the syro-malabar synod.Let us all try and resolve this issue,like true christians.
What is going on here is the same old strategy of divide and rule.
Earlier Parish priest was the first one to start this.Coppel church was started with the promise of a parish in a convenient location,but now the Bishop want it as to degrade it as a mission.The agenda here is to solict funds for Garland Church as well from the same members who contributed twice.
Bishop and certain parishrns have this hidden agenda from very begining.Up to the purchase of the property, it was aseparate parish, now it is going to be a mission.Also the parish meeting decided aganist Veil and Claver cross, but now the minutes are going to amend.
I think saju is just an instrument of this game.They are going to cusify him for this suys personal intrests.He is not able to think about what he is doing.He is taking satanic steps with this guys directions.Afterall it was a peacefull church and it is a mess because of this AV Thomas and Thomachan Perimcherimannil.......
Thomachan done this same thing before too.He crusified some other guys too for his personal intrests.
And AV Thomas needs only name.He is a man does nothing and like to act like he is doing everything here.Act like he is a spoke person for bishop.But in real he is a man who give wrong information to bishop and put Bishop in trouble.
i think roman catholic church have a tradition.this is not a political party to decide anything to in ballot paper.and i beleave thr is no any cross which is equal to crusificion.why this thomas and thomachan play this nasty game for personal benafit.this is a ugly game.if our beloved achan hav to go because this 2 guys then it is going to be cirse for that family.because this achan is great.and saju is a senseless guy.he play for thomachan and he dosint know what he is doing.poor fellow.going to get in trouble by taking wrong steps.
THIS ACHAN IS A SAINT WHO IS NOT READY TO SACRIFICE HIS FAITH FOR AMERICAN DOLLAR AND FOR THIS CUKID PEOPLE IN CHICAGO.FUCK THIS BASTARDS WHO IS PLAYING AGAINST THIS ACHAN FOR UNFAIR AGENDA
This nasty people divided this community and some low class people supported it.Let them keep it in mind.They are going to pay for it. I can feel this pulse.I am from garland.But i see that waves here too.This is not going to be like chicago.They may pay big price for it.This community proved it before it too.They are strong.If chicago wont understand it and if this two guys wont act wisly then they are under estimating public power.And this is America.They may pay big price for it
hahahahah AV thomas,he advise bishop not to allow a church in copell.It was a trouble for bishop.Then he advised bishop to stop fund rising raffle programme of copel church inorder to support garland.It was a disaster for bishop and Garland church.He advised to blok Irving to be a part of this church.It was a mess for Bishop.Then he played a game for Frisco and Bishop is taking that burden still in his shoulder.Now he is playing another game by advising Bishop to override genaral body's decision.He advised Thomachan the kaikaran to remove important points from pothuyogam minits.This stupid guy advised saju to do so.Bishop support it or not I really dont know.Afterall a good community got destroyed by this 2 guys and by a letter from chicago.shame on them for making a mess here.Thomachan is a real problem in this church and he brings lot of issues to this community.people are fedup about him.Time to stop regional game and the people from chenganassery and pala are aginst this.they says this guys spoil the name of pala and chenganassery.But i think this guys spoil the name of not only chenganassery and pala,but spoil the name of malayalies.now value to words what they says.
This thomachan is a kaikaran only for three months.As soon as he came to that position the problem started in this community.When it was other guys they bought church without having any problem in this community.what a stupid he is to spoil a community.A real cancer for this community.will u please get lost.We dont need you.Please dont think that we are fools
I am a jesus youth member.Church is not a place for 2 diffrent openion.We got only one god.Thomas sleeha was a good person.But we should not replace jesus for thomasleeha.we should not use thomas sleeha symbol to replace crusified cross.May god forgive this people who play the game against this community.
It is interesting to see that no matter and how much the people shout, the current Hirearchy does not care a S... and execute the plan which they want or told to from their Bosses!!. They know that these people came from kerala and can be tamed to be in the ring. Poor folks ? . Why and what are they fighting for ?? This will not be the case with next generation as they are taught to be free thinkers!!
feel like going to pantakostha church.it is a dirty game by bishop and his slaves.there is a sross we all can agree and which is what we practised.so why there is another cross for dividing us?
Aren't you power maniac parishioners ashamed to be be called Christians.
A friend of mine directed me to this blog. I found this blog utterly shocking and shameful to any honest Christian. What are you guys doing? If there are differences of opinion, mudslinging is not the answer. Instead, respectfully listen to each other and understand their perspectives. We may not and need not agree with every position, but we can all respectfully listen and discuss issues as adults. In the name of Christ, please stop this hate campaign, re-discover charity in heart, and deal with this issue as worthy human beings.
~ A fellow pilgrim.
This guys are not only power maniac.They even go to any extend to get it done.Instead of get the power by public aproval they try some indirect ways by pleasing Bishop and support his wrong doings.Hello trustee,Get out from there.You are not suitable for it
What Does the Crucifix Mean and Where it Comes From?
This Impossible Victory that Jesus Christ accomplished left Satan in disbelief and agony. Satan instantly became like a Lion without claws nor teeth, more like a silly old Cat.
Satan / Devil the father of ALL lies and deception, just like how he has led more than half the world's population to worship disgusting and non-existing idols and gods, also deceived Christians to worship DEATH in the form of Crucifix instead of LIFE in the form of Cross.
The short period of time Jesus Christ and God the Father was separated by SIN, is the only period of time where it appeared as if Satan defeated the authority of God. This period of time is like waiting for an election result to see who REALLY took victory.
Satan, through CRUCIFIX basically has FROZEN that window of Christ's separation from His Father, (through SIN, which is Death), taking away the TRUE VICTORY from His people. Which also means that these people are still on Satan's deceived domain, without the protection and victory of the Blood of Jesus. Remember: CROSS IS OFFENSIVE TO SATAN, while CRUCIFIX BRINGS COMFORT.
How sad it is for GOD to see HIS Children still under the clutches of Devil
AFTER PAYING SUCH A HEAVY PRICE?.
It indeed is shocking. It appears that some uncultured, ignorant and ill-advised people have migrated to USA,more particularly to parts of Coppell. They seem to have made some easy dollars and feel that their dollar is the king. They have no regard to Church, its traditions and the authorities. Why are you ashamed to put down your names: "Anonymous", indeed!!. Just like your father, the devil.
Tom Kocherry
tomkocherry@hotmail.com
New Jersey
Stop this dirty games. Shame on you so called Marthoma Christians. Stop going to these churches and go to the local english Churches. when nobody is to watch, these poeples drama they will realize what the are doing
At the end of the day what we going to gain friends? I abused few people and I am happy. Is this what you want from this? Remember,who knows who will be there for you when you need help? I am sure nobody be there except our community including Thomachen and AV Thomas. Why you want to attack them in person? I don't think Saji achen or Bishop won't be there to help you. Please kindly remember that. Achen or bishop is not going to loose anything. Achen will either go back to India or find another church here. Please keep up the community first before you abuse some families.Pleaseeeeeeeeeeee take it as a request
Hello Tom Kochu- kazuvery:
Indeed ur shocking. It appears that ur uncultured, ignorant,ill-advised, and a total idiot/jerk.
Seems like Your wife has made some easy dollars and u feel that ur are the king.
U have no regard to Church, its traditions and no faith.
Why are you putting down your name: " Just like your father, the devil.
We all wonder if you are even a christian? can we call u Satan?
Was that for Tom Kocheri?It was toomuch.
Now Mr.Tom Kocheri understands why people posts comments as Anonymous
Thanks to’ Syromalabar voice’ for giving details about the Coppell church issue. After going through the writings and responses, it is felt that they are okay, except for the indecent language used in some of them. Please mind that the foul language will drift away even like-minded people.
Any way, it is a good sign that the majority of the parishners have raised against the despotic bishop for his arrogant stand on the Manickeyan /Persian cross. There were a number of churches in Kerala too, where the faithful stood bravely against installing the Manickeyan cross in their newly built churches, a decade ago.And, now the march goes on in America!
All the church-problems stem out of the enforced authoritarianism of the church authorities.The Vatican’s Canon laws grant both the spiritual and temporal powers to the bishopric! In temporal matters a bishop has full power to enact, interpret and enforce laws in his diocese!! Yes, legislative, judicial and executive powers in one hand!!! It means that the faithful , who are the real owner of all the church properties and institutions, are left with no power or right on them. Infact this unchristian, unholy ,structure of the church promotes arrogance of power in the minds of bishops. So,it is more essential to fight the root cause ie. the unchristian,anti- laity, provisions in the Canon law.
Infact, the the Eastern (Oriental) Canon law was enacted for the churches that originated in the eastern part of the Roman empire, such as Antiochean, Alexandrian, Chaldean churches etc. But, the politics of Chaldeanisation of Syro-Malabar church by the Oriental Congregation with the help of Mar Powathil defeated us. Mar Powathil’s fight for the Holy Mass according to the Chaldean rite, and also the projection of the Manickeyan cross as ‘Mar Thoma cross’ was designed to stamp our church as the ‘daughter-church’ (Puthreesabha) of the Chaldean church, so that the Eastern Canon law could be enforced here. How can our church that originated in the 1st century be the daughter-church of the Chaldean church which took birth only in the 4th century? No one gives the answer!
Our patrimony is the’ Law of Thomas’ and according to which the entire authority on temporal matters was vested in the 3tier church assemblies (Palliyogam) of the faithful. Until and unless we succeed in bringing back this original Indian patrimony, problems will carry on erupting from the anti-biblical power structure of the church.
I take the struggle by the faithful in Coppell church as a step towards the ultimate aim of enforcing the LAW OF LOVE of Jesus Christ in the entire church. My hearty wishes for the success of your fight!
-with prayers and solidarity, George Moolechalil (Secretary, Kerala Catholic church Reformation Movement) Vallichira P.O; Pala, Kottayam-686592
What is the point of having a diocean stamp in the middle of the altar instead of crusifix? I know what cross stand for; I know what that human figure on the cross stand for. What does Thamara poov symbolize? Does it mean something to us, kerala christians (or even those from central kerala)? Can somebody with theology degree explain it to me?
Thanks to "Syromalabar voice". It is really sad to know that the parishioners of the Coppell Church and Bishop Angadiath are in disagreement in regards to the cross and the placement of the curtain in front of the Madhubaha in the church.
I don't think that we should expect anything other than this kind of unchristian behavior from Bishop Angadiath because there was a similar controversy in Chicago. About 15 to 20 years ago, the same was true in many dioceses in Kerala. Somehow each parish settled their differences with their respective bishops. But the end result was that many believers lost their faith in the church and left it altogether.
Bishop Angadiath belongs to the Chenganacherry group. Their sole aim is to propagate the
so-called “Mar Thoma Cross” (Manikayan Cross). They achieved this goal by arguing that this controversial cross is a part of our patrimony.
Some of the bishops ignore their spiritual power but they are very enthusiastic in enforcing their pemporal power (secular power). Those bishops forget the Gospel of Jesus Christ and they are interested in enforcing their agenda. These furious 'Kooranthaya' fanatics destroy anything that is Christian. Where is the true faith and the high moral tone of the bishop? Where is his good example and Christian preaching?
Dear brothers in Christ Jesus, please don't support this church financially until the bishop agrees to your terms in this regard. Let him know who the real owner of this property is.
Make a conscientious decision and stick with it. The bishop and his administration will use all kinds of tactics and even will pit one family against another (divide and conquer tactics) to achieve his goal. Be vigilant like a hawk.
Regards,
Chacko Kalarickal
Author, Novel 'Edayan'
www.ckalarickal.com
ckalarickal10@hotmail.com
Thanks to "Syromalabar voice". It is really sad to know that the parishioners of the Coppell Church and Bishop Angadiath are in disagreement in regards to the cross and the placement of the curtain in front of the Madhubaha in the church.
I don't think that we should expect anything other than this kind of unchristian behavior from Bishop Angadiath because there was a similar controversy in Chicago. About 15 to 20 years ago, the same was true in many dioceses in Kerala. Somehow each parish settled their differences with their respective bishops. But the end result was that many believers lost their faith in the church and left it altogether.
Bishop Angadiath belongs to the Chenganacherry group. Their sole aim is to propagate the
so-called “Mar Thoma Cross” (Manikayan Cross). They achieved this goal by arguing that this controversial cross is a part of our patrimony.
Some of the bishops ignore their spiritual power but they are very enthusiastic in enforcing their temporal power (secular power). Those bishops forget the Gospel of Jesus Christ and they are interested in enforcing their agenda. These furious 'Kaldaya' fanatics destroy anything that is Christian. Where is the true faith and the high moral tone of the bishop? Where is his good example and Christian preaching?
Dear brothers in Christ Jesus, please don't support this church financially until the bishop agrees to your terms in this regard. Let him know who the real owner of this property is.
Make a conscientious decision and stick with it. The bishop and his administration will use all kinds of tactics and even will pit one family against another (divide and conquer tactics) to achieve his goal. Be vigilant like a hawk.
Regards,
Chacko Kalarickal
Author, Novel 'Edayan'
www.ckalarickal.com
ckalarickal10@hotmail.com
How sad... this whole blog is ridiculous. The majority of Syro-Malabar faithful, and many achens have been so thoroughly latinised that they do not know their authentic Eastern holy Traditions. Everything that Bishop Jacob has proposed - the resurrected Cross, the veil, etc are all part of authentic Syro-Malabar Tradition. Instead of studying this, going into their authentic Sacred Tradition more deeply, most of you people here deride and degrade what you do not know. To be Catholic is much more than mimicking the Latin Church - the second Vatican Council and the Holy Father have asked the Eastern Churches to return to AUTHENTIC Eastern Tradition, remove latinisation. Instead, the ignorant here deride the Bishop and his priests for doing what the Vatican and the Syro-Malabar Holy Synod had declared now for years - despite many achens and bishops outside Changancherry ignoring what they have been told.
Are you all aware that most of the other Eastern Catholic Churches use the Cross not Crucifix - for example, the Syro-Malankara Church, the Melkite Church, the Armenian Church, etc, etc, etc. The Malankara Church and others use the veil as well. To call these things as "from the devil" is not only stupid, it is false accusation and whoever stated it should be ashamed for their ignorance.
Remember, what you are used to is not authentic Syro-Malabar Holy Tradition, but a latinised mimicry of the Roman Church - Vatican II and the Pope, along with the Malabar Holy Synod have repeated been saying to return to authentic Tradition, remove latinisations. Read up on these things, look to your pre-Portuguese history. Stop being absurd.
Dear Micheal,
Then we need to move to Malankar aJacobite Church or Malankara Orthodox Church, which are troe eastern churches.We also need our priests to learn syriac and do the mass.
Of course the Palliyogams also to be empowered to Original style.
If most of the Kerala priests can come celebrate mass in Latin churches, why a poor fellow to go to Latine Mass?.
If Claver cross is official symbol, then why most of the new syro malabar churches does not have it?.
Only Kanjirappally, Changancherry , Palai and some churches in Kothamangalam have the claver cross.Why other diocese not putting the claver corss?
Mr. Michael’s Arguments That Stand For The Chaldeanisation Of Syro-Malabar Church Is Worth Discussing. To Me His Contentions Appear To Be Half Truths.
It Is True That The 2nd Vatican Council’s Directives To Eastern Catholics Were Directed Against The Latinisation. So, The Decree Recognized The Right Of The Eastern Catholics To Keep Their Own Distinct Liturgical Practices. It Also Exhorted The Eastern Catholics To Take Steps To Return To Their Ancestral Ecclesiastical Structure Ie. The Way Of Living And The Church Administration.
So, Once It Is Applied To The Syro-Malabar Church, It Plainly Means That We Ourselves Have To Take Steps To Return To Our Nazrani Identity And To Its Ancestral Traditions Known As The ‘Low Of Thomas. We, The Nazranis, Had Our Own Liturgical, Spiritual And Ecclesial Identities. And, The Controversial Persian/Manickeyan Cross Never Seem To Have Any Place In Our Traditions. ( It Is Interesting To Note Here That There Is No Evidence Either To Show Any Importance Of This Cross Even In The Chaldean Church.)
The Arguments Put Forward By Mr. Michael Is Based On The Notion That Our Church Is Of Chaldean Patrimony. Even Though The Nazrani Church Welcomed And Allowed The Chaldean Bishops To Say Their Holy Mass In Our Churches, Our Church Never Came Under The Chaldean Church. And, There Is No Evidence Of Our Then Priests, The Kathanars, Saying The Chaldean Mass Either. Hence, The Argument That The Present Changes are in accordance with the Vatican decree can’t stand the truth. It is known to many in Kerala that this ill-conceived stance is the ill-effect of the politics of the Oriental Congregation executed with the help of the Changanassery faction of bishops headed by Mar Powathil.
Infact, our Church is yet to take any step according to the Vatican decree. And, it was the first and formost duty of our bishops to take appropriate steps to recognize our Nazrani patrimony and to re-establish our ancestral church-traditions according to the Law of Thomas. Instead, they divide themselves as pro-Latins and pro-Chaldeans. It is amazing that none among them appears to be pro-Indian.
George Moolechalil (Secretary, Kerala Catholic church Reformation Movement ) Vallichira P.O; Pala , Kottayam- 686592 –email: gmool@yahoo.com
Michael:
Are you aware that most of the Catholic Churches use the Crucifix?
Some stupid people use the cheela because they have something to hide from the faithful.
To call only crucifix as "from the devil" is not only stupid, it is false accusation and you should be ashamed for your ignorance, moron.
Don't you like to see crucifix?, you only want to see Claver kurisu, Do you like your parents at least?, pottan Michael are you even going to church to pray? evil Satanic Moron.
those who dont want follow the syro malabar traditions which is East syriac in nature , please join the latin church. other wise also the latin church in the west is degrading. you can add to their degradation. why making hell in the SMC.
Reply to nazrani comment # 38
We think you don't know what is Qurbana and significance of alter, but you really trying to kiss up your hierarchies in the SMC.
Please read the following:
Mass in the Catholic Church
The Council of Trent reaffirmed traditional Christian teaching that the Mass is the same Sacrifice of Calvary offered in an unbloody manner:
"The victim is one and the same: the same now offers through the ministry of priests, who then offered himself on the cross; only the manner of offering is different.
And since in this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and offered in an unbloody manner... this sacrifice is truly propitiatory" (Doctrina de ss. Missae sacrificio, c. 2, quoted in Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1367).
The Council declared that Jesus instituted the Mass at his Last Supper: "He offered up to God the Father His own body and blood under the species of bread and wine; and, under the symbols of those same things, He delivered (His own body and blood) to be received by His apostles, whom He then constituted priests of the New Testament; and by those words, Do this in commemoration of me, He commanded them and their successors in the priesthood, to offer (them); even as the Catholic Church has always understood and taught."
The Catholic Church sees the Mass as the most perfect way it has to offer latria (adoration) to God.
It is also Catholic belief that in objective reality, not merely symbolically, the wheaten bread and grape wine are converted into Christ's body and blood, a conversion referred to as transubstantiation, so that the whole Christ, body and blood, soul and divinity, is truly, really, and substantially contained in the sacrament of the Eucharist.
With crucifix in the alter the whole picture about real mass will be clear to us all.
I am not belongs to any catholic churches. I belong to ancient indian chruch. I argue each and everyone to read First Letter to Corinthains .
Bishop Angadiath is the head of the Syro Malabar Church in North America, and what he says is with over 40 years of liturgical experience whereas everyone that is against him in Texas just wants to feed their ego and be correct. You malayalees are the so called problem with Indian Catholics across the world. Listen to our bishop and stop trying to make problems. Switch to the Mar Thomas Cross! Stop making this a big deal and MAKING OUR SYRO MALABAR DIOCESES LOOK BAD!!
This is happening now... people want to get rid of crucifix in Europe by unbelivers and are we, the Syro-malabar becoming a part of it?
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/29/italy-fights-for-crucifixes-in-classrooms/?hpt=Sbin
People ,
First of all you should have belief , in God and his Son, cricifix , or marthoma kurisu all are secondary. just born in a christian family is not enough, no true believer in jesus can use such words against anyone whether he supports crucifix or marthoma kurisu. Do you realy think by using abusive words in a blog is a big thing.. Pray to God for you and for your kids. you can also abuse me for writing these words .. I just find this blog unexpectedly and was very surprised the language used here.
Only thing true believers can do is pray.. pray pray.. Please don't use these abusive words even if it is against someone whose opinion is not of yours. May God Bless You all!!!
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