- ഈ ബ്ളോഗ് ഇടക്കിടെ കാണാറുണ്ടെങ്കിലും ആദ്യമായാണ്‌ ഇതില്‍ ഞാന്‍ പോസ്റ്റ്‌ ചെയ്യുന്നത് . ഇതില്‍ പോസ്റ്റ്‌ ചെയ്യുന്നത് കൊണ്ട് ഈ ബ്ലോഗിന്റെ ആശയങ്ങളോടും രീതികളോടും മുഴുവനായും ആഭിമുഖ്യം ഉണ്ട് എന്ന് ദയവായി മാന്യവായനക്കാര്‍ കരുതരുത്. ന്യായങ്ങള്‍ ഉണ്ട് എന്നിരുന്നാലും അതിന്റെ അവതരണത്തില്‍ സഭ്യതയുടെയും മാന്യതയുടെയും അതിര്‍ വരമ്പുകള്‍ പലപ്പോഴും ലഘി ക്കപ്പെടുന്നു എന്നത് ഒരു ദുഃഖ യാതാര്ത്യമാണ്. എന്നിരുനാലും സാധാരണക്കാരനായ എന്നെപോലെയുള്ള സീറോ മാലബാര്‍ വിശ്വാസിയെ സംബന്ധിച്ചിടത്തോളം ഇതാണ് എന്റെ മാസ്സിലുള്ളവ തുറന്നു കാണിക്കാനുള്ള ഏക വഴി എന്നാ നിലക്ക് ഇതില്‍ എന്റെ കമെന്റ്സ് ഇടാന്‍ ഞാന്‍ തീരുമാനിച്ചു. ഞാന്‍ ഷിക്കാഗോയിലെ മോര്‍ട്ടന്‍ ഗ്രോവില്‍ താമസിക്കുന്ന ഒരു സീറോ മലബാര്‍ സഭാംഗമാണ്. ഞായരാഴ്ച്കാകളില്‍ നമ്മുടെ അരമന പള്ളിയില്‍ പോകാറുണ്ട്. കഴിഞ്ഞ കുറെ നാളുകളായി വൈകുന്നേരങ്ങളില്‍ ക്നാനായക്കാരുറെ പുതിയ പള്ളിയിലും പോകാറുണ്ട്. സത്യം പറഞ്ഞാല്‍ ക്നാനായക്കാരോട് എനിക്ക് അസൂയ ഉണ്ട്. കാരണം നമ്മള്‍ 10 മില്ല്യന്‍ ്‍ മുടക്കി ഒരു പള്ളിയുണ്ടാക്കിയപ്പോള്‍ അവര്‍ വെറും 3 മില്ല്യന്‍ കൊണ്ട് 2 പള്ളിയുണ്ടാക്കി. അതില്‍ ഒന്ന് ജങ്ങല്‍ക്കിടയില്‍ എല്ലാവര്ക്കും സൌകരപ്രദമായി ദിവസവും കുര്‍ബ്ബാനയോടു കൂടി. നമ്മുടെ ദീര്‍ഘ വീക്ഷണം എന്നത് ജനങ്ങളുടെ സൗകര്യം എന്നതിനേക്കാള്‍ പണത്തിന്റെ ഹുങ്ക് കാണിക്കുക എന്നതായിരുന്നോ???? ആയിരക്കണക്കിന് ഡോളര്‍ നമ്മുടെ അക്കൌണ്ടില്‍ നിന്നും നമ്മുടെ സഭാ നേതൃത്വം ഊറ്റി എടുത്തിട്ട് നമുക്ക് എന്ത് കിട്ടി? ആര്‍ക്കോ വേണ്ടി കേട്ടിപെടുത്ത്ത നമ്മുടെ വികാരങ്ങള്‍ക്ക് ഇടമില്ലാത്ത ഒരു മണി മാളിക. എത്രയോ അധികം കാശാണ് നമ്മള്‍ ദുര്‍ വിനിയോഗം ചെയ്യുന്നത്???? ഇന്ന് എല്ലാ ദിവസവും ഉള്ള കുര്‍ബ്ബാനയില്‍ മോര്‍ട്ടന്‍ ഗ്രോവില്‍ എത്രയോ പേരാണ് പങ്കെടുക്കുന്നത്. നാട്ടിലെ പോലെ തന്നെ എത്രയോ മനോഹരമായ കാഴ്ചയാണ് അവിടെ. നമ്മുടെ ആളുകള്‍ തന്നെ എന്നെ പോലെ എത്രയോ പേര്‍ അവിടെ കുര്‍ബ്ബാന കാണാന്‍ പോകുന്നു??? ഇത് പോലെ നമ്മുക്ക് നമ്മുടെ സ്വന്തം പള്ളിയില്‍ എന്നും പോകാനും വരുവാനും എന്ന് സാധിക്കും??? അതിനു നമുക്ക് പണമില്ലാഞ്ഞിട്ടാണോ??? ഉള്ളത് മുഴുവന്‍ ഒരുമിച്ചു വാരികൂട്ടി ചിലവാകിയിട്ടല്ലേ? കഴിഞ്ഞ ദിവസം ക്നാനായ പള്ളിയിലെ ഒരാളുമായി സംസാരിച്ചപ്പോഴാണ് നമ്മള്‍ എത്ര മണ്ടമാരനന്നു പിടികിട്ടിയത്. മനോഹരമായ ആ പള്ളിയിലെ ഹാളിലെയും പള്ളിയിലയൂമായ സൌണ്ട് സിസ്റ്റം പിടിപ്പിച്ച്ചതിനു ചിലവായത് 25000 ഡോളര്‍. അയ്യോ അത്രയും ചിലാവായോ എന്ന് ചോദിച്ചപ്പോഴന്നു ഇഷ്ടന്‍ ചോടിച്ചാദ് നിങ്ങളുടെ പള്ളിയില്‍ എത്ര ആയി???? എനിക്കറിയില്ലായിരുന്നു. നമ്മുടെ ഒരു ഇഷ്ടനോട് ചോദിച്ചപ്പോഴാണ് അറിഞ്ഞത് നമുക്ക് ചിലവായത് 125000 !!!. ഒരാളോട് ചോദിച്ചു അതെന്താ നമുക്ക് ഇത്രയും????അപ്പോഴല്ലേ അറിഞ്ഞത് നമ്മുടെ സ്പീക്കറിന്റെ ഉള്ളില്‍ പോലും കമ്പ്യൂട്ടര് ഉണ്ട് എന്നത്. അതിശയം!!!!!!! എന്നിട്ടാണോ നമ്മുടെ വെഞ്ചിരുപ്പു ദിവസം മൊത്തത്തില്‍ കുളമായതും ഇപ്പോഴും കഷ്ടിച്ചു ഒപ്പിച്ചു കൊണ്ട് നടക്കുന്നതും???? പിന്നയല്ലേ അറിഞ്ഞത് നമ്മുടെ സിസ്റ്റം തയ്യാറാക്കിയത് വെളുമ്പന്‍ ആണെന്ന്. അവരുടെയോ???? നമ്മുടെ സിസ്റ്റം ആദ്യ ദിവസം അലറി വിളിച്ചപ്പോള്‍ സ്വയം രക്ഷ പെടാനും മടുള്ളവരുടെ കണ്ണില്‍ പോടിയിടാനും വേണ്ടി, പണി അറിയില്ല എന്നും പറഞ്ഞു നമ്മള്‍ പുറത്താക്കിയ മലയാളി സീറോ മലബാര്‍ കത്തോലിക്കാ പയ്യന്‍ !!!! എന്നിട്ട്ടു എന്തായി ഇത് വരെ അവര്‍ക്ക് ഒരു കുഴപ്പവും ഉണ്ടായില്ലന്നു മാത്രമല്ല നമ്മുടെതിലും ഗംഭീരം മാണ് അവിടുത്തെ സിസ്റ്റം. ഇങ്ങേനെയോണോ നമ്മുടെ പള്ളിക്ക് മില്ല്യന്‍ കണക്കിനു ചിലവായത്???? ഇത് വെറും ഒരു ഉദാഹരണം മാത്റമാണ്. ഇങ്ങെനെ അന്വേഷിച്ചാല്‍ എത്രയോ കാണും???? ബഹുമാനപ്പെട്ട സഭാ അധികാരികള്‍ ഇതൊക്കെ കാനുണ്ടായിരുക്കുമെന്നു കരുതുന്നു. മാത്രമല്ല ഇതൊക്കെ മൂടി വക്കാന്‍ കുറെ നാള്‍ കഴിയുമായിരിക്കും. നമുക്ക് പ്രാര്‍ഥിക്കാം വിശ്വാസികള്‍ക്ക് വേണ്ടി സ്വാര്‍ത്ഥ താത്പര്യങ്ങള്‍ ഉപെഷിച്ച്ചു നമ്മുടെ സഭാ നേതൃത്വം പ്രവര്‍ത്തിക്കാന്‍ സന്നദ്ധമായി വരെട്ടെ. കുരിശിന്റെ ആകൃതി അല്ല പ്രധാനം കുരിശാണ് പ്രധാനം. ജനങ്ങളെ കുരിശിനോടു ചേര്‍ത്ത് നിര്‍ത്തുന്ന പ്രവര്തികലാണ് സഭാ നേത്രുതിന്റെ ഭാഗത്തുനിന്നും ഉണ്ടാകേണ്ടത്. അല്ലാതെ ജനങ്ങളെ എങ്ങിനെ പിഴിയാം,എങ്ങിനെ മുടിപ്പിക്കാം, എങ്ങിനെ ഞങ്ങളുടെ ചിലവില്‍ അവരെ ഭരിച്ചു രസിക്കാം എന്നതല്ല ലക്ഷ്യമാകേണ്ടത്.
- August 21, 2010 5:03 PM
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Jose G. Thariath said... - I completely agree with the observations made in the above comment. I would like to add a little more to this. I am the first Malayalee to own a professional sound system from 1985, the reason being my wife is a singer. When we started our services in Bellwood, initially there was no Sound system, and on Sundays I used to bring my own system volutarilly. Later own we purchased a small system for $700. It was this system we were using for a long time without any problem. In 1993 I and my family went to Kerala for a 5 year stay. We came back to the US in 1998. When we came back things were very different in the church. I tried to help with the Sound on Sundays. But the place was so full of politics. There was politics also in the choir. I felt my services were not welcome there. So i gradually withdrew. During the construction of the Cathedral, I was aware of the current "sound engineers" talking and discussing about the fantastic sound system we are going to have in the new church. Nobody asked my opinion. Still I many times told these people to be extreamely careful. When i heard about the budget I could not believe it. I told them everything I could to persuade them to think twice. Needless to say I was ignored all the way. Finally the inauguration day approched. I again told the person who was in charge of the sound, who is a friend of mine, to be very careful. I told him not to depend on an unproven and untested sound system for such an important occasion. I told him to install regular speakers at least for that day, as I was sure there would be problems with the new system. Nobody was willing to listen. And all of അസ്‌ know what happened. The inauguration choir was one of the worst in our church, only due to the failure of the system. After the inauguration was over, I told the current sound man, let us try a pair of regular speakers. I challenged him to let me install my own system for just one Sunday at least. They would not let me. Another time when we were doing a private choir, I inquired about putting up my own system. My request was denied. They claimed they were afraid it might damage the granite floor. No outside sound system is allowed in the church. I knew all the time the real reason. The real reason was, the interested parties did not want the people to hear a better sounding system than the one they had. I used to tease and challenge my friend to let me put my own system just for one Sunday. Then came the flood a couple of weeks ago. The sound system in the church was damaged. So for two or three Sundays regular speakers costing about $400 each was used in the church. What was the result? The sound was much better than our $125,000 system. As I mentioned, I have owned my own sound system from 1985. I did not learn sound operation by messing with church sound system like so many of our current sound guys. I have provided sound for a lot of shows and weddings and such in every kind of venue. I am saddened by the waste of money on account of our sound system. And let me also tell you, for a church even bigger than ours, the sound system will not cost more than 30 or 40 thousand dollars.
- August 22, 2010 9:46 AM
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Anonymous said... - In regards to the $125,000 sound system: The true reason is that, there are too many people in Chicago, Dallas, etc., that carry too much vanity. Why do you fund these kinds of stupidity? Why can't you just not give even a cent for it? Why don't you give that money to feed the hungry children in Kerala? If you can't find any poor families there, there are plenty of them in our neighboring countries or at least in Africa. If you want an update, search for "I am because we are". You can watch it free on hulu.com and decide whether you are doing the right thing with your money. May be, if you can, ask the bad elements in the Syro diocese to watch it too. May be it will bring a change of attitude in them. Spend your money for the good of other souls.
August 22, 2010 4:45 PM
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Syro Malabar Catholic synod please take note.
As Catholics we would like to restore all our sacraments back to the way it was before.
We do not want three of the sacraments Baptism, Communion and confirmation at same time.
Let our children be ready to receive the communion and confirmation at the age of 10 and 14 respectively, atleast they will have a little knowledge and it will be a great time for family togetherness and we all will learn little more about these sacraments importance.
ബിഷപ്പു പവ്വത്തിന്‍റെയും,ചിക്കാഗോയിലെ ബിഷപ്പ് അങ്ങാടിയത്തിന്‍റെയും വഴിപോക്കരായ എബോക്കികള്‍ കൊപ്പേല്‍ പള്ളിയില്‍ വിശുദ്ധ അല്‍ഫോന്‍സാമ്മയുടെ 100-റാം ജനനദിവസം ഒരു ചരമദിവസമായി പ്രസങ്ങിച്ചു.അതായത് വൈദികനാണ് എന്നു പറയുന്ന ഈ എബോക്കി അള്‍ത്താരയില്‍ വച്ചിരിക്കുന്ന ദൈവത്തിന്‍റെ ക്രൂശിത രൂപത്തേ പറ്റി വിഡ്ഢികളില്‍ ഒരു ആളായ എബോക്കി കൊപ്പേലിലെ ജനങ്ങളെ വിഡ്ഢികളാക്കാന്‍വേണ്ടി ചത്ത ശവത്തേ കെട്ടിതൂക്കിയമാതിരിയുണ്ട് എന്ന്,യേശുക്രസ്തു ക്രൂശില്‍ മരിയ്ക്കാതെയാണ് ഉയര്‍ത്ത നിലപാടാണ് ഈ വിഡ്ഢിയായ എബോക്കിപറഞ്ഞത്.പക്ഷേ ഈ വിഡ്ഢിയായ എബോക്കിപറഞ്ഞുതന്നൂടെ ബൈബിളില്‍ ഇല്ലാത്ത വിഡ്ഢികളായവരുടെ ക്ലാവര്‍ കുരിശുന്‍റെ മഹാല്‍മൃം. ക്ലാവര്‍ കുരിശിന്റെ മുകളില്‍ ഒരു കൊച്ച് കഴുകന്‍ തലയും കൂത്തി പറന്നിങ്ങുന്നത് എന്തിന്,ഭക്ഷണമാണ് എന്നുകരുതിയാണോ തലയും കൂത്തി കഴുകന്‍ പറന്നിങ്ങുന്നത്.അതോ ചീത്ത കളളനെ കുരിശില്‍ നിന്ന് താഴേയ്ക്ക് ഇറക്കുവാന്‍ വൈകിയതുകൊണ്ടാണോ ഭക്ഷണം കണ്ടാതുകൊണ്ടാണോ ക്ലാവര്‍ കുരിശിന്റെ മുകളില്‍ കഴുകന്‍ തലയും കൂത്തി പറന്നിങ്ങിവരുന്നത് വിഡ്ഢിയായ ഈ എബോക്കി വൈദികന്‍ കൊപ്പേലിലെ ജനങ്ങളൊട് പറഞ്ഞുതരാമോ?.എട്ടുകലി കുഞ്ഞുങ്ങള്‍ ഭക്ഷണത്തിനുവേണ്ടി തളളയെ തിന്നുന്ന മാതിരിയുണ്ട് വിഡ്ഢിയായ ഈ എബോക്കി വൈദികന്‍ പോപ്പിനെ വേദപാഠം പഠിപ്പിക്കുനത്.
എന്തുകൊണ്ടാണ് സിനഡ് തീരുമാനങ്ങള്‍ പരസിയപെടുതാത്തത്? അങ്ങാടി പിതാവ് ഡോളെര്‍ കാണിച്ചു മറ്റെല്ലാ പിതാക്കന്‍മാരുടെ കണ്ണ് മഞ്ഞളിച്ചു പോയോ!!!!!!!!
ചത്ത ശവം (ജോസ് അച്ഛന്‍) ദേശാടന കിളി ആഫ്രിക്കയില്‍ തിരിച്ചു എത്തിയോ
Dear Blogger:
What happened in the news conference?
Is there any truth in the rumour that Bishop Alencherry will be replacing bishop Angadiath in Chicago? Please Update your readers on this..
Thanks. One reader
Ask an explanation from this Jose Achen's cousin who is our parishioner.
Immoral activities in SMC ???
Why do the people in Syro Malabar Diocese of Chicago churches, who do immoral things work on the alter and choir?.
Is it because sinners are welcome to the church or to show the public they are angels ???
Have you noticed the people close to the Bishop and the Achens are real problem makers in the church and the public ?
Wtihin our church and community, to establish BISHOP & ACHAN agenda {politcs} they need this kind of peoples friendship.
How we can trust these authorities?
WHEN WE WORK WITH THESE PEOPLE EVENTUALLY WE WILL LOOSE OUR FAITH.
THAT IS THE FACT BUT REMEMBER GOD IS WATCHING EVERY ONE OF US.
SO DO NOT BE AFRAID,SPEAK UP FOR THE TRUTH & JUSTICE .
GOD WON'T PUNISH FOR THAT.
AT LAST TRUTH WILL PREVAIL.
PAPAM CHEYYATHAVAR KALLERIYATTE.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
can any one associated or in the choir or committe comment on the sound system???? explain to us the reason why we wasted that much money for it or what is tha advantage of it???????
Syro Malabar Diocese of Chicago consists of people from all parishes in Kerala, not just Changanacherry, Paala, kanjirappally.
This Claver and Sheela, are not even installed in every churches so far in all parts of these Changanacherry, Kanjirappally and Pala Diocese.
In any of the other Diocese than these few, no Claver exist, only Crucifix in altar.
If within Kerala itself, not all churches don't have Claver in altar, not even in Powothil's own changanacherry, palai and kanjirappally Dioceses; So what right the Bishop has to try to enforce Claver in our church altar which people really don't want to see.
The issue of Claver was problem in most of the parishes in kerala, the Bishop Synod specifically said the Bishop can't enforce the issue of Claver if the majority of parishioners disagree with Claver.
JESUS PLEASE save our Syro malabr rite from the curse of this Claver and sheela.
The politics of Chaldeanisation of Syro-Malabar church by the Oriental Congregation with the help of Mar Powathil defeated us.
Mar Powathil’s fight for the Holy Mass according to the Chaldean rite, and also the projection of the Manickeyan cross as ‘Mar Thoma cross’ was designed to stamp our church as the ‘daughter-church’ (Puthreesabha) of the Chaldean church, so that the Eastern Canon law could be enforced here.
How can our church that originated in the 1st century be the daughter-church of the Chaldean church which took birth only in the 4th century? No one gives the answer!
Our patrimony is the’ Law of Thomas’ and according to which the entire authority on temporal matters was vested in the 3tier church assemblies (Palliyogam) of the faithful.
Until and unless we succeed in bringing back this original Indian patrimony, problems will carry on erupting from the anti-biblical power structure of the church.
The origin of Kerala's Christians dates back to 52 AD, when St. Thomas came to the region landing in the port of Cranganore near Cochin. He visited different parts of Kerala and converted local inhabitants including many from the upper sect known as Namboodiri Brahmins. It is also believedthat St. Thomas established Churches in seven places in Kerala ( Kodungallore, Palayur, Paravur, Kokkamangalam, Niranam, Chayal, Korakkeni, Kollam) and a chappal (half church-"Arappalli") at Thiruvankottu.
The present Christian population have descended from these early groups.Some of the early Christians were Paklomattam, Shankarapuri, Kalli, and Kaaliyankavu in the north and Thayyil, Pattamukkil, Manki, and Madathilen near Niranam . They are popularly referred to as Syrian Christians because of the Syrian Liturgy which they continued to use in church services. They have also sometimes been called Nazaranis (followers of Jesus of Nazarene) or St. Thomas Christians. In some official documents Syrian Christians are even now referred to as Nazaranis.
An added fillip to the growth of the Church took place when a group of about 400 people migrated from Syria in 345 AD and joined the then existing Kerala Church. The leader of this group was Thomas of Kana. They stayed on in the region. The descendants of this group even today maintain their separate identity,and are known as Kananites. Syrian Christians remained as an independent group, and they got their bishops from Eastern Orthodox Church in Antioch in Syria.
What happened to the blog entry about last Sunday's sermon at Coppell church?
If that priest was fool enough to say those dumb things, he is not worth the bishop position. We need someone with gods grace to be the next bishop - not some fools that would jump everytime idiot priests wisper evil ideas.
Please put back the article and the comments. I think it should stay until that priest goes back to Coppell church and apologize to the congregation for speaking ill of the crucifix.
Dear john karikkasseril,
Catholic church considers the "blessed" bread as sacret.
We read in Holy Bible, holding the bread during the last supper Jesus said to his desciples, "This is my body which will be given up for you. Do this in memory of me".
This means sacrifice to the max. That is dying for us on the cross.
Again, we read in the Holy Bible, holding the wine he said, "This is my blood which will be shed for you, so that your sins may be forgiven. Do this in memory of me".
This again means sacrifice to the max. That is dying for us on the cross.
So, if you give any value to the sacrifice that Jesus did for all of us, then you should not say that crucifix is a statue.
Now, what did Jesus do with the bread and wine? Did he eat and drink it all? NOOOOOOOOOOO.
He shared it with his desciples.
Yes, he shared what he had.
Sharing what you have, and liging your life for service to others.
Isn't that what the sacrement is all about???
i agree with john karikkasseri's comments. it is true.
cross is not a thing we should adore. we should adore the jesus - whether on the cross or not - that is in our hearts. the cross and statues and pictures are suppose to be helping us to build that image in our minds just like our grand children looks at our great grand father's picture and every time they think about him that picture will come to their minds. we should not be adoring the physical part of the cross. we should respect it as it helps us. but the one and only thing that is adorable in the church is the blessed sacrament in the tubernacle or the host and wine after the consecration. cross in the church is a symbol or proclamation that the death of jesus on the cross being the ultimate sacrifice. but that doesn't make it adorable. adoring and respecting are two different words. bow your head before jesus with adoration. but be respectful to the crucifix or any statue because it is a replica and reminder of jesus. again "reminder" not he himself.ex
What has happened to the vibrant blog for the past few days? No more updates from the News conference from Kerala. Has any one of the major coordinators of the blog fell sick. Something is wrong. Please let us know. We pray for you.
It is disgusting what happens in the Kerala Catholics and religious groups.We are divided by the evil forces into a number of groups and because of that the people miss the great opportunities to collaborate and make friendship beyond that will help them to be successful in America. Imagine you can only work with people of your choice of religion on weekdays!. We need to work wth multinational and diverse groups and your training on Sundays and all the group activities are just waste of time and making you unfit for your job.Did you come to America to do this?
You guys are fighting on Mar thoma cross. Now historians, including Pope are saying there is no proof for St.Thomas visiting Kerala. In a recent convention at Cochin, the head of the historic reserch center said they tried their best to find any info on St. Thomas visit, but there is no proof what so ever on his visit. Then the explanation from the priest who attended was, beliefs should be given some value, though there are no proofs. If St. Thomas never visited India, what is the importance of Marthomas Cross.
There is no history for Malayattoor church either other than the church on top on the hill.
As the years go by, some gossips turns out to be beliefs and then leads to devition. thats what happend with St. Thomas visit and starting of 7.5 churches.
Hope people will stop fighting on things that are no relevent and focus on building a community that is based on the principles Jesus taught us. love one another.
Good comment #19
We should stop worshipping these bishops who are dividing us. We should stop supporting their causes financially.Bishop is just like a manager of a business.He will do anything to benefit his business and his agendas.
LET'S LEARN FROM OUR LESSONS.
IT IS US LAITY WHO NEED TO GET ALONG WITH EACH OTHER AND SEE EACH OTHER AT CHURCH.
for last couple of days, i don't see any more updates in this site. what happened?
Not only the Bishop, all these wolves in sheep clothing..
this is a comment on "You guys are fighting on Mar thoma cross. Now historians, including Pope are saying there is no proof for St.Thomas visiting Kerala. In a recent convention at Cochin, the head of the historic reserch center said they tried their best to find any info on St. Thomas visit, but there is no proof what so ever on his visit. Then the explanation from the priest who attended was, beliefs should be given some value, though there are no proofs. If St. Thomas never visited India, what is the importance of Marthomas Cross.
There is no history for Malayattoor church either other than the church on top on the hill....."
you are right . there is no evidence or history of the visit of st.thomas.
there is a history of thomas in the kerala christian. this is the knai thomas who came in ad 345 with all the syrian rites and probably this cross. he was concidered a saint in the keral christian community before this community ever connected to the catholics by jesuits. even now his name is mentioned in the intercessory prayers of the jocobites. he was a bishop (this a version of the history by Fr.Jose Chazhikad). when the jesuits came in they burned down the history books calling heretics and changed all what is written about thoma to st.thomas.
there is another reason we can say that mar thoma is not st.thomas but bishop thomas of knanai. none of the saints are addressed "mar" but thomas. and all the bishops in the syrian tradition are called mar too. mar angadiyath, mar vithayathil etc....
as there is no proff of st.thomas ever visited kerala there are proofs that the above things are correct. truth can never be hidden for ever.
enjoy
ecumenical crap !!!!!!!!!!!!
Cooperating and working together with other christian denominations are OK, but why do we have to let go the real Catholic fundamental characteristics like Crucifix, Sacraments receiving age, liturgy etc:.
We did not gain anything for going for this ecumenical crap, Holy Communion and Confirmation is now given along-with baptism like other protestant group do, why? liturgy is a mixture, now people are trying to force manikyan cross to catholic church, where is this going to stop?
If we are Catholics keep the fundamental things for the Catholic church, true Catholic faith matters has to be decided only by Catholics not by "crossbreeds of other christian denominations and Catholics".
Now Your roots, what you want to be, Syrian Christians of kerala?
if you want to keep your roots keep that name, don't be called Catholics at all.
We are Catholics and want to and only will follow catholic traditions.
If you are serious about knowing the facts read history. Do not listen to the sermons on Sundays where they try to clone you and ask you to share your wealth with them. Give money to those who deserve it. Not to the one who manipulates you and your friends and cause havoc in the community relations.
He is now traveling to India and they have limited access to internet and hence you see fewer comments
With your roots why you moved to USA? Roots are back in Kerala.is it not?. We have better Catholics here , not like kerala where you worship everything. Idol worshipers!
The Major Archbishop has invited Fr. Thomas Chakkittamuriyil to appear before the Synod on Saturday. Major Archbishop has asked Mar Angadiath to make an open apology to Fr. Chakkittamuriyil in presence of the 49 bishops. Mar Angadiath has to make this apology holding and embracing a crucifix. This will be a big victory for our blog and Tom Varkey's Army.
What happened to the news about Fr. Jose Alencherry's homily on last Sunday?. Did you get any kick back from any Foundation member to remove that news from the blog?.
നമ്മുടെ അരമന പള്ളിക്ക് മാര്‍ത്തോമാ ശ്ലീഹ യുടെ പേരാണ്. പക്ഷെ ക്ലാവര്‍ കുരിശ് വയ്ക്കാന്‍ വേണ്ടി ക്രുശു രൂപം സൈടിലാക്കി.ക്നാനായ ക്കാരുടെ പള്ളിയാണ് ശരിക്കും മാര്‍ തോമ ശ്ലീഹ പള്ളി. നടുക്ക് ക്രുശു രൂപം, വലത്ത് മാതാവ്, ഇടത്ത് തോമാ ശ്ലീഹാ. ക്ലാവര്‍ കുരിശ് അള്‍ത്താരയുടെ പുറത്ത് ഏറ്റവും മുകളിലായി. ഇത് വഴക്കുണ്ടാക്കി ഉണ്ടാക്കിയതല്ല എന്നാണു ഞാന്‍ അറിഞ്ഞത്. അങ്ങാടിയത്ത് കണ്ടു പഠിക്കട്ടെ.
remove the claver cross from the altar of chicago cathedral and place the staue of blessed virgin mary or st.thomas. if the above post about the knanaya church is right, they did exactly the right way. jesus on the cross and tubernacle in the center, mary and st.thomas on the sides. marthoma cross outside the altar. good job and design knanaya people.
if we are marthoma christians we need to put a statue of st.thomas on the altar rather than the marthoma cross. the cross with jesus is there any way
Thoma's bro in law josey and travel agent johnson are in kerala trying to give moral support to powethil.
No wonder we do not see a lot of low standard blog entries....
Powathil is so frustrated for not getting cardinal and major archbishops post. He is an arrogent person dont care about others openion or belief. Priest in ernakulam made a public protest against powathil during last synod. Now he wants to destroy the church befor the issue of marthoma cross there unity in church...marthoma cross,sheela, powathil and his shinkidy bishops are lucifer in disguise.
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