ചരിത്രത്തിന്റെ മണ്‍കൂന മാന്തി പുറത്തെടുത്ത 'മനിക്കേയന്‍ ' കുരിശിനെ മാര്‍ത്തോമക്കുരിശ്ശെന്നു കള്ളപ്പേര് ചൊല്ലി നമ്മുടെ സഭയുടെ മേല്‍ അടിച്ചേല്‍പ്പിക്കാന്‍ അങ്ങാടിയത്ത് പിതാവ് മുച്ചൂടും ശ്രമിക്കുന്ന ഈ സാഹചര്യത്തില്‍ പ്രസ്തുത കുരിശിനെപ്പറ്റിയുള്ള ചില ചരിത്രസത്യങ്ങള്‍ വായനക്കാര്‍ക്ക് മുമ്പില്‍ നിരത്തിക്കൊള്ളട്ടെ. കുരിശുകള്‍ പലതരമുണ്ട് . ആദ്യ കാലങ്ങളില്‍ അടിമ രാജ്യങ്ങളിലെ കുറ്റവാളികളെ തൂക്കി കൊല്ലുവാന്‍ റോമാക്കാര്‍ കണ്ടുപിടിച്ച ഒരുപകരണം മാത്രമായിരുന്നു കുരിശ്. കര്‍ത്താവിനെ കുരിശില്‍ തൂക്കിയതുകൊണ്ടു മാത്രമാണ് കുരിശിന് മഹത്ത്വമുണ്ടായത്. എല്ലാ കുരിശിനും ആ മഹത്ത്വം ഇല്ല. കര്‍ത്താവിന്റെ ഇരുവശത്തും തൂക്കപ്പെട്ട കള്ളന്മാരുടെ കുരിശിന് പ്രത്യേക മഹത്ത്വം ഒന്നുമില്ല എന്നത് തന്നെ ഇതിനൊരുദാഹരണം.
നമ്മുടെ പിതാവായ മാര്‍ത്തോമ്മാസ്ലീഹാ മനസ്സാ, വാചാ, കര്‍മ്മണാ അറിയാത്ത ഒരു കുരിശാണ് ഇന്നു മാര്‍ത്തോമ്മക്കുരിശ് എന്ന പേരില്‍ നമ്മുടെ അള്‍ത്താരയില്‍ വയ്ക്കാന്‍ ബിഷപ്പും കൂട്ടരും ശ്രമിക്കുന്നത്. . അതിന്റെ ചുവട്ടില്‍ എഴുതിയിരിക്കുന്ന ഭാഷ സുറിയാനി ഭാഷയല്ല. പ്രിത്യുത, ഇറാനില്‍ നിന്നുള്ള പഹ് ലവി എന്ന ഭാഷയാണ്. തോമ്മാസ്ലീഹായ്ക്ക് കേട്ടറിവ് പോലുമില്ലാതിരുന്ന ഒരു ഭാഷയാണത്.
നമ്മുടെ അള്‍ത്താരയില്‍ മാര്‍ത്തോമ്മാക്കുരിശ് എന്ന പേരില്‍ വച്ചിരിക്കുന്ന കുരിശിന്റെ മുകളില്‍ ഒരു പ്രാവിനെ കാണാം. യേശുവിന്റെ ജ്ഞാനസ്നാനാവസരത്തില്‍ പരിശുദ്ധാത്മാവ് ഒരു പ്രാവിന്റെ രൂപത്തിലാണല്ലോ അവിടുത്തെമേല്‍ ഇറങ്ങിവന്നത്. അതിനാല്‍ മാര്‍ത്തോമ്മാ കുരിശിന് മുകളില്‍ കാണുന്ന പ്രാവും പരിശുദ്ധാത്മാവിന്റെ പ്രതീകമാണെന്ന് തെറ്റിധരിക്കപ്പെടാം. എന്നാല്‍ പരിശുദ്ധാത്മാവ് ക്രൂശിക്കപ്പെട്ടതായിട്ടോ, കുരിശിന്റെ മേല്‍ ഇറങ്ങിയതായിട്ടോ നമ്മളാരും ഇന്നുവരെ വായിച്ചിട്ടില്ല, കേട്ടിട്ടുമില്ല. ദൈവശാസ്ത്രപരമായി ഇതിന് തെളിവുകളുമില്ല. വി. ഗ്രന്ഥത്തില്‍ ഈ കുരിശിന് ഒരു ന്യായീകരണവും കാണുന്നുമില്ല. അതിനാല്‍ നമ്മുടെ വിശ്വാസത്തിനു ചേര്ന്നതല്ല ഈ കുരിശ്. ഏറിയാല്‍ പത്തു നാല്പതു കൊല്ലങ്ങള്‍ക്കു മുന്‍പുവരെ പ്രാവുള്ള ഒരു കുരിശ് നമ്മുടെ ഇടയില്‍ പ്രചാരത്തില്‍ ഉണ്ടായിരുന്നില്ല. ഇങ്ങനെയുള്ള ഒരു കുരിശിനെപ്പട്ടി ആരും കേട്ടിട്ടുമില്ല. നമ്മുടെ പാരമ്പര്യത്തിലും ഇങ്ങനെ ഒരു കുരിശിനെപ്പട്ടി പ്രതിപാതിച്ചു കേട്ടിട്ടില്ല. ഇപ്പോള്‍ മാര്‍ അങ്ങാടിയത്തും മറ്റു ചില മെത്രാന്മാരും ഈ കുരിശിനെപ്പറ്റി വിവിധതരം വര്‍ണ്ണനകളും വ്യാഖ്യാനങ്ങളും നല്‍കുന്നുണ്ട്. ഇല്ലാത്ത ഒന്നിനെപ്പറ്റിയുള്ള വ്യാഖ്യാനത്തിനു നിലനില്‍പ്പില്ലല്ലോ. വ്യാഖ്യാനം ഓരോരുത്തര്‍ക്കും അവനവന്റെ നിലനില്‍പ്പിനായി ഉണ്ടാക്കാവുന്നതുമാണല്ലോ.
മനിക്കേയന്‍ പാഷണ്ഡത
എന്നാല്‍ ക്രിസ്തു മതവും സൊരവാസ്ട്രീയനിസവും തമ്മില്‍ സംയോജിച്ചുണ്ടായ മനിക്കേയന്‍ പാഷണ്ഡതയില്‍ ഈ കുരിശിന് ന്യായീകരണമുണ്ട്. എ. ഡി 216 ല്‍ ഇറാക്കിലെ സെലുഷ്യയില്‍ ജനിച്ച്, എ.ഡി. 277 ല്‍ വധിക്കപ്പെട്ട മാനി അഥവാ മാണിയാണ് ഈ സങ്കരസഭയുടെ സ്ഥാപകന്‍ . തനിക്ക് 12 ഉം 24 ഉം വയസ്സുള്ളപ്പോള്‍ പരിശുധാത്മാവ് അദ്ദേഹത്തെ സന്ദര്ശിച്ചത്രേ. ഏഷ്യയിലും ആഫ്രിക്കയിലും റോമിലും ധാരാളം ശിഷ്യര്‍ ഒരു കാലത്ത് അദ്ദേഹത്തിനുണ്ടായിരുന്നു. ആറാം നൂറ്റാണ്ടുവരെ നീണ്ടുനിന്ന ഈ സഭക്കാര്‍ വിശ്വസിച്ചിരുന്നത് യേശുവിന്റെ ശരീരം യഥാര്‍ത്ഥ ശരീരം അല്ലെന്നും അങ്ങനെ തോന്നിക്കുന്നതു മാത്രമാണെന്നുമായിരുന്നു. അതുകൊണ്ട് യേശുവിന്റെ ജനനത്തിലും ആദ്യകാല ജീവിതത്തിലും അവര്‍ വിശ്വസിച്ചിരുന്നില്ല. ശക്തിയില്‍ സൂര്യനിലും, ജ്ഞാനത്തില്‍ ചന്ദ്രനിലും ആയിരുന്ന ഒരു ആദ്യമനുഷ്യനായി അവര്‍ ക്രിസ്തുവിനെ വിഭാവനം ചെയ്തു. അതുകൊണ്ട് സൂര്യനെയും ചന്ദ്രനേയും ക്രിസ്തുവിന്റെ വാസസ്ഥലമായി അവര്‍ ആരാധിച്ചിരുന്നു. മാനി പാരക്ലേത്തോ (പരിശുദ്ധാത്മാവ് ) ആയി സ്വയം വിശേഷിപ്പിച്ചു. തന്റെ പഠനങ്ങള്‍ ഒരു വെളിപാടാണെന്നു പറഞ്ഞ മനിക്കേയന്‍ മതത്തിന് ഒരു പ്രധാന പുരോഹിതനും പന്ത്രണ്ടു അപ്പസ്തോലന്മാരും എഴുപത്തിരണ്ട് മെത്രാന്മാരും കൂടാതെ ഒട്ടനേകം വൈദികരും ദീക്കന്മാരും ഉണ്ടായിരുന്നു. അവരുടെ ആരാധനയുടെ കാതലായ ഭാഗം സൂര്യന് നേരെ തിരിഞ്ഞു നിന്നുള്ള പ്രാര്‍ത്ഥനയായിരുന്നു. അവരുടെ വിശ്വാസപ്രകാരം പ്രാവ് സൂചിപ്പിക്കുന്നത് മാനിയെയാണ്. കാരാഗ്രഹത്തില്‍ മരണമടഞ്ഞ മാനി ക്രൂശിതനായാണ് മരിച്ചതെന്ന് പില്‍ക്കാലത്ത് അദ്ദേഹത്തിന്റെ അനുയായികള്‍ പറഞ്ഞു പരത്തിയിരുന്നു.
മനിക്കേയന്‍ വിശ്വാസപ്രകാരം യേശു സത്യത്തില്‍ ക്രൂശിതനായി മരിച്ചില്ല. കുരിശ് കണ്ടു ഭയപ്പെട്ടോടിയ യേശു നേരിട്ട് സ്വര്‍ഗാരോഹണം ചെയ്യുകയാണ് ചെയ്തത്. അതിനാല്‍ ലോകത്തിന്റെ പരിത്രാണം സാധിക്കാന്‍ പരിശുത്ഥാത്മാവ് ഭൂമിയില്‍ അവതരിച്ചു. ആ പരിശുത്ധാത്മാവാനത്രേ മാനി. അതിനാല്‍ കുരിശു മരണത്തിലൂടെ മാനിയാണ്‌ ലോകപരിത്രാണം നടത്തിയതെന്ന് അവര്‍ വിശ്വസിക്കുന്നു. (പ്രൊഫ. പി. റ്റി. ചാക്കോ). അതിനാല്‍ മനിക്കേയന്‍ കുരിശില്‍ കാണുന്ന പ്രാവ് മാണിയാണ്. പരിശുത്ധാത്മാവല്ല.
അങ്ങനെ മനിക്കേയന്‍ പാഷണ്ഡതയോട് ബന്ധപ്പെട്ട ഈ കുരിശ് നമ്മുടെ അള്‍ത്താരകളിലും വീടുകളിലും വെയ്ക്കാന്‍ പാടില്ലാത്തതാണ്.
അനൈക്ക്യത്തിന്റെ കുരിശ്
മാനിയുടെ മരണശേഷം ആറാം നൂറ്റാണ്ടോടെ മനിക്കേയന്‍ വിശ്വാസികള്‍ ഇല്ലാതായി. അന്നവര്‍ വലിച്ചെറിഞ്ഞു മണ്ണിനടിയില്‍ ആണ്ടു കിടന്നിരുന്ന മനിക്കേയന്‍ കുരിശാണ് ഇന്നിപ്പോള്‍ മാര്‍ത്തോമ്മാക്കുരിശായി അവതരിച്ചിരിക്കുന്നത്. ഇപ്പോള്‍ ഈ കുരിശ് സീറോ മലബാര്‍ സഭയില്‍ തര്‍ക്കത്തിന്റെയും വിഭജനത്തിന്റെയും അടയാളമായി മാറിയിരിക്കുകയാണ്. സമാധാനത്തിനു പകരം അസമാധാനവും ഐക്ക്യത്തിനു പകരം ഭിന്നിപ്പുമാണ് ഈ കുരിശുമൂലം ഉണ്ടായിരിക്കുന്നത്. ഈ കുരിശ് നമുക്കു വേണ്ടാത്തതാണ്. നമ്മുടെ പള്ളികളിലും അല്‍ത്താരകളിലും ഇത് തൂക്കാന്‍ കൊള്ളാത്തതുമാണ്.
എല്ലാ കുരിശും കര്‍ത്താവിന്റെ കുരിശല്ലല്ലോ. ക്രിസ്തുവിനോപ്പം തൂക്കപ്പെട്ട ദുഷ്ട്ടനായ കള്ളന്റെ കുരിശ് നമ്മള്‍ വണങ്ങുന്നില്ല. അതുപോലെ ഈ മാര്‍ത്തോമ്മക്കുരിശ്ശെന്നു നമ്മള്‍ തെറ്റിധരിക്കുന്ന മനിക്കേയന്‍ കുരിശും നമ്മുടെ വണക്കം അര്ഹിക്കുന്നില്ല.
പുരോഹിതനായാലും മെത്രാനായാലും വിശ്വാസികള്‍ക്ക് വിമര്‍ശനത്തിനും ഉതപ്പിനും ഇട കൊടുക്കുന്നത് തെറ്റാണല്ലോ. പാപമാണല്ലോ. "വിശ്വസിക്കുന്ന ഈ ചെറിയവരില്‍ ഒരുവന് ഇടര്‍ച്ച വരുത്തുന്നവന്‍ ആരായാലും അവന് കൂടുതല്‍ നല്ലത് ഒരു വലിയ തിരികല്ല് കഴുത്തില്‍ കെട്ടി കടലില്‍ എറിയപ്പെടുന്നതാണ് " (മാര്‍ക്കോസ് 9/12). അതിനാല്‍ ബ. അങ്ങാടിയത്ത് പിതാവേ, മാര്‍ത്തോമാക്കുരിശ്ശെന്നു അങ്ങ് വിളിക്കുന്ന ഈ മനിക്കേയന്‍ കുരിശ് നമ്മുടെ അള്‍ത്താരയില്‍ നിന്നും നമുക്കു എടുത്തു മാറ്റാം. അനൈക്ക്യത്തിന്റെയും വിഭജനത്തിന്റെയും പ്രതീകമായ ഈ മനിക്കേയന്‍ കുരിശിന് സിറോ മലബാര്‍ സഭയില്‍ സ്ഥാനമില്ല.
കടപ്പാട്: റവ. ഫാ. സീ. ജെ. വര്‍ക്കി, ശാലോം ടൈംസ്‌
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Holy cow! I didn't know about the history of this cross. Thanks.
I am from Kundapuram, Karnataka district, Malayalee. I am see rich church in Chicago. Very good church you have you are very rich people. When God make you rich, you have not peace God give. That is why God give you Angadiath bishap. He not make you happy. Our church is small, Kerla Malayalam church. Convent too. But not too much rich like you. But we have good achan, and we love and like our church. We have peace. We not got curtain viri, and no marthoma kross. But we have peace.
We pray for you, and I will ask the achan and sisters to pray for your peace.
Antony
Does angadiath pithavu has any comments on this. what is the point of writing and writing with no actions? My dear theepatham , have you talked to him heart to heart? Between you and pithavu, Please don't confuse our children anymore than they are. They are already ABCD'S (American born confused desi's). Let us keep their confusion limited.
Concerned MOM
http://www.thenazrani.org/cross.htm
Pleas see above page to understand the symbolizm of St. Thomas Cross.
In Romans 8:11 St Paul explains the role of the Holy spirit in Jesus' ressurection.
I do not think Angadiath pithav is going to post anything on Theepantham or have anyone else post anything on Theepantham. People that seem to be supporting his views are really expressing their own views, not the views of the bishop. I am one of those people who people who posted several responses. But those are entirely my own responses.
If you need answers you should ask our vicar or the bishop directly.
Another concerned parent
സീ. ജെ. വര്‍ക്കി, ശാലോം ടൈംസില്‍ എഴുതിയ ലേഖനപരമ്പരയ്ക്ക് ചങ്ങനാശ്ശേരി അതിരൂപതയുടെ കതിരൊളി എന്ന മാസികയില്‍ വ്യക്തമായ മറുപടി കൊടുത്തിട്ടൂണ്ട്. സി.ജെ വര്‍ക്കിയുടെ ലേഖന പരമ്പര വായിച്ചാല്‍ തന്നെ അദ്ദേഹത്തിന്റെ അഭിപ്രായത്തിലെ ചുവടുമാറ്റം വ്യക്തമാവും.
നമ്മുടെ പഴയ ഗൃഹങ്ങളില്‍, പഴയ തറവാടുകളില്‍, കൊത്തുപണികളുള്ള സ്ഥലവും മറ്റും പരിശോധിച്ചാന്‍ പ്രത്യേകിച്ച് അറയുടെ മുന്‍‌ഭാഗവും ഭാഗവും മറ്റും പരിശോധിച്ചാല്‍ മാര്‍ത്തോമാകുരിശിനോട് സാമ്യമുള്ള കുരിശുകള്‍ കണ്ടെത്താനാവും.
തീപ്പന്തത്തിന്റെ ശ്രമങ്ങള്‍ സഭയില്‍ ഇടര്‍ച്ചയുണ്ടാക്കുവാനേ ഉപകരിയ്ക്കുകയുള്ളൂ. അത് സഭയുടെ ചൈതന്യത്തിനു വിരുദ്ധവുമാണ്. സഭയുടെ പാരമ്പര്യങ്ങള്‍ പഠിയ്ക്കാനും അറിയാനും ശ്രമിയ്ക്കുക.
മാത്യു ഫിലിപ്പ് നെല്‍പ്പുരക്കല്‍
അങ്ങാടിയത്തിനോടു തോറ്റതിന് ബ്ലോഗിള്‍ അപ്പിയിട്ടിട്ട് എന്തു കാര്യം?
സഭയിലെ കാര്യം സഭയില്‍ പറഞ്ഞു തീര്‍ക്കണം. അല്ലെങ്കില്‍ പള്ളിയില്‍. ഇതൊന്നുമല്ലാതെ ബ്ലോഗില്‍ വന്ന് തീപ്പന്തം കത്തിച്ചാല്‍ എല്ലാവരും നാറും അതു മനസിലാക്കുക.
There is no need of confusion young generation.This is a little politics in the church.just follow your parents advice.Love God and your neighbor for your salvation.Now you study well and leave this confusion to the elders of the church.
Thank You Joju for your valuable information. The article from Shalom by Fr. C.J.Varkey is an old one. Fr.C.J.Varkey is a Charismatic priest who doesn't care about the traditions of the church. He may eventualy will become a Pentecost or a non denominational minister or may join with Mr. Anathanam or Thanku Pastor. So if you wan't to continue to be an eastern christian, don't listen to what he says. Charismatic priests don't care about rites or different traditions in the church. They stand for one rite movement or one church movement. I have a request to the Theeppantam people: You may buy the book " The spirit of the Liturgy" wirtten by our present Pope Benedict the 16th . This book is wery deep in theology. In that book, you will see the relevance of the empty cross, celebrating mass facing to the East etc. I understand that you are going to send complaints against Bishop Angadiath to the Pope. You need to understand that this pope knows more about oriental churches including the Syro Malabar Church than you people.He can tell you more about the Mar Thoma Cross and the sanctuary veil than Fr. Varkey. Fr. varkey is not a theologian like Pope Benedict. This Pope stands for conservatism and orthodoxy in the church. He is more conservative and orthodox than Mar Powthil, Mar Pallickaparambil and Mar Angadiath. Recently he allowed the Latin rite priests to celebrate the old latin mass (Tridentine) facing to the altar. Mar Powathil is considered as a reputed church theologian and Pope Benedict knows him very well. They both are of the same view points with regard to theology and approach to communism. They both strongly oppose communism.So call the pope to get answers to your questions.He will definitely answer all the calls from U.S because he knows U.S. Malayalees are rich with dollars.
you should have clear agenda what are the current activity/rights should be stopped and what are your suggestions to for those problem.
if you keep on add many things like Holy Cross's shape/color/material, I dont think people will intrest to read this site itself.
so be specific and say we need to remove veil infront of the altar.
Last week I had talked to few members of the parish committe and What I understood is that Veil issue supposed to decided by the Bishop.
if Cardinal/Pope agreed for such a deal, I dont think we will be able to get this to be removed from church because its already installed now.
The only thing what we can ask them is *NOT* to close it during the mass and may replace the veil with a better quality linen :)
hey using cheap language dont take you anywhere. Talk like a getteleman. use deceant words. lots of people including bishop priests layman kids and ladys reading it so rite good language.Thank you .a decent man
Hello Mukkuvan,
The bishop offended a lot of people by the sneaky way he introduced the veil. He had promised not to put the veil in the new church. This is a custom followed by 4 or 5 dioceses out of 25 or 26 dioceses in Kerala. Even in those 4 or 5 dioceses, in most of the churches, they don't close the veil during mass.
The bishop has shown a total disregard for the people from the dioceses that does not follow this custom. He exploited the respect people show the clergy to play politics of the most shameful kind. The curtain and the claver cross has to come down for the bishop to have any peace.
Replay to Mr. Mathew Philip Nelppurackal:
Nobody lost to bishop Angadiath. It is only because his title people leave him alone. Many people have tried to discuss and solve this problem with the bishop.
I think theeppantham is ok. Because dictators and despots hate publicity.
This will expose the bishop all over the world for playing shameful politics with peoples church. Angadiath can end this today if he wishes.
to the guy who wrote the long letter above mukkuvan:
Yes we know all about Pope Benedict: He was a Hitler Youth.
As for Powathil's approach to communism, we know that he helped elect the present communist government in Kerala.
Plus, my friend, remember Chicago diocese is not under Changanacherry archdiocese. So hang your sheel and claver kross in Changanacherry, not in Chicago.
We see some people complaining that the people who complain against sheela and thamarakkuris do not give a penny to the church. I do not understand what money has anything to do with anything. So only the people who has given money has the right to critisize? Does those who have given more money has more right for criticize? If higher donation means more right in the church Pious Thottukandathil has to be the bishop. Because he has donated more than anybody.
സാര്‍വത്രിക സഭയില്‍ വ്യക്തിസഭകളുടെ സ്ഥാനം ഒന്ന് ഒന്നിനേക്കാള്‍ മുകളിലോ ഒന്ന് ഒന്നിനേക്കാള്‍ താഴെയോ അല്ല. എല്ലാ വ്യക്തിസഭകള്‍ക്കും അവരവരുടേതായ ആരാധനാക്രമവും ദൈവശാസ്ത്രവും പാരമ്പര്യങ്ങളുമുണ്ട്. അവയെല്ലാം സംരക്ഷിയ്ക്കപ്പെടണമെന്നത് പരിശുദ്ധ സിംഹാസനത്തിന്റെ താത്പര്യവുമാണ്.
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പൌരത്യസഭ ആരാ‍ധനക്രമത്തിന്റെ പുനരുജ്ജീവിപ്പികല്‍ എന്നാല്‍ പരിഭാഷപ്പെടുത്തിയ ലത്തീന്‍ ആരാധനാക്രമം സ്വീകരിയ്ക്കുകയല്ലെന്ന് 1934ല്‍ പത്താം പീയൂസ് മാര്‍പ്പാപ്പ വ്യക്തമാക്കിയിട്ടൂണ്ട്.
സീറോമലബാര്‍ സഭയുടെ പാരമ്പര്യങ്ങളെക്കുറിച്ച് അഭിപ്രായവ്യത്യാസങ്ങള്‍ 1900 ആമാണ്ടു മുതലേ നിലനിന്നിരുന്നതാണ്. അതിനു പൌരസ്ത്യ പാരമ്പര്യമാണൊ പാശ്ചാത്യപാരമ്പര്യമാണൊ എന്നതായിരുന്നൂ സംശയം. ഇതില്‍ തീര്‍പ്പുണ്ടാക്കുവാനായി പൌരത്യ തിരുസംഘം വിദഗ്ദോപദേശം തേടി. 1933ല്‍ ഫാ. സിറില്‍ കൊറേലേവിസ്കി, ഡോം പ്ലാസിഡ് ഡിമീസ്റ്റര്‍, മോണ്‍. യൂജിന്‍ ടിസറാങ് എന്നിവരടങ്ങിയ വിദഗ്ധ സമതി സീറോ മലബാര്‍ സഭ പൌരത്യ സുറിയാനീ (കല്‍ദായ) സഭാകുടൂംബത്തില്‍ പെട്ടതാണെന്നും ലത്തീന്‍ ആരാധനാക്രമം പരിഭാഷപ്പെടുത്തുകയല്ല കല്‍ദായ തിരുക്കര്‍മ്മങ്ങള്‍ പരിഷ്കരിയ്ക്കുകയാണു വേണ്ടതെന്നും അഭിപ്രായപ്പെട്ടു. ഈ വിദദ്ധോപദേശത്തിന്റെ പശ്ചാത്തലത്തിലും പൌരത്യതിരുസംഘത്തിലെ കര്‍ദ്ദിനാള്‍ മാര്‍ക്ക് അഭിപ്രായ ഐക്യത്തില്‍ എത്തിച്ചേരാന്‍ കഴിഞ്ഞില്ല. ഈ പശ്ചാത്തലത്തിലാണ് പത്താം പീയൂസ് മാര്‍പ്പാപ്പ ഇക്കാര്യത്തില്‍ മേല്‍‌‌പറഞ്ഞ തീര്‍പ്പു കല്പിച്ചത്.
ദേവാലയത്തിലെ വിരി പൌരത്യുസുറിയാനീ പാരമ്പര്യത്തിലുള്ളതാണ്. യഹൂദപാരമ്പര്യത്തില്‍ വിരി രണ്ടാണ്. വിശുദ്ധസ്ഥലത്തെയും ജനങ്ങളെയും വേര്‍തിരിയ്ക്കുന്ന ഒന്നാമത്തെ വിരി. അവിടെ പുരോഹിതന്‍ പ്രവേശിച്ച് പ്രാര്‍ത്ഥന നടത്തുന്നു. വിശുദ്ധസ്ഥലത്തെയും അതിവിശുദ്ധസ്ഥലത്തെയും വേര്‍തിരിയ്കുന്ന രണ്ടാമത്തെ വിരി. പ്രാധാനപുരോഹിതനു മാത്രം പ്രവേശിയ്ക്കാനുള്ളത്. ഇതൊക്കെ പഴയ നിയമത്തില്‍ കണ്ടെത്താവുന്നതാണ്. വിശുദ്ധവസ്തുക്കളെ മറയ്ക്കുന്നത് ഹിന്ദു പാരമ്പര്യത്തിലും കാണാമല്ലോ. സദാസമയവും നടതുറന്നിടില്ല.
ദേവാലത്തിലെ വിരിയ്ക്ക് ദൈവശാസ്ത്രപരമായ അര്‍ത്ഥങ്ങളുണ്ട്. വ്യക്തിപരമായ അഭിപ്രായവ്യത്യാസങ്ങള്‍ക്കല്ല സഭയുടെ പഠനങ്ങളും, പൌരത്യ തിരുസംഘത്തിന്റെ അഭിപ്രായങ്ങളും, പരിശുദ്ധ സിംഹാസനത്തിന്റെ നിര്‍ദ്ദേശങ്ങള്‍ക്കുമാണ് പ്രാധാന്യം കൊടൂക്കേണ്ടത് എന്ന് ഓര്‍മ്മിപ്പിയ്ക്കുന്നു.
ഇത്തരം അഭിപ്രായവ്യത്യാസങ്ങള്‍ അനൈക്യങ്ങളാവാതെ നമ്മുടെ സഭയെയും പാരമ്പര്യങ്ങളെയും ആരാധനാക്രമത്തെയും കൂടുതലായി മനസിലാക്കുവാനുള്ള അവസരമാകട്ടെ എന്ന പ്രാര്‍ത്ഥനയോടെ നിര്‍ത്തുന്നു.
See if you have money you can talk??That means church cares more money than truth.How can one worhip mammon and God at the same time?.No way that is what Jesus said!!.
Answer to N.J. George:
I agree with what Mr George says. But this is a matter of controversy in Kerala. As such, it was wrong for the bishop to enforce it here in Chicago at this particular time. His actions do not help his cause.
This is a ridiculous cross. I don't think any body, let alone Christ, was crucified on it. It was the work of a drunken carpenter, like our Narayanan, here in Chicago.
The clergy is a bunch of leeches. They suck peoples blood and never let go.
Hi N.J. Jogu,
Thank you for sharing your information.We need more historical facts from you on our church and its heritage. We need to know the directives given to us from the Holy See and the Oriental Congregation periodically. We need to learn more about the ecclesial identity of this Particular Church.
From:
Varunny Thukalan from Trichur
To:
Those people who are from the Archdiocese of Ernakulam and Trichur:
I am from the Archdiocese of Trichur. Some of us are not familiar with the sanctuary veil and the sanctuary layout of an east syrian church.That is not our fault but the fault of our Major Archbishop and other bishops. We have some Chaldian Churches( Surayi - Assyrian Church of the East ) in Trichur and Ernakulam areas. Next time when you go to India, visit some of those churches. There you can see the veil and the layout of a church as per the East Syrian Liturgical tradition. Once they were part of the Syro Malabar Church. They separated from the Trichur diocese due to some disputes on church properties.They still follow the same liturgical tradion of the Syro Malabar church.Like us, their liturgical language is also East Syriac. This was the language spoken by our Lord Jesus Christ.There are more than 15000 faithful belonging to Surayi Church. Let me tell you frankly; The Archdiocese of Changanacherry is on the right track with regard to liturgy and faith formation. This is really a shame for us.
കേരള സഭയെക്കുരിച്ച്ചോ അതിന്റെ പാരമ്പര്യത്തെക്കുരിച്ച്ചോ ഒന്നും തന്നെ അറിയാത്ത, കേവലം ഭൌതികമായ മനോഹാരിതയിലും സൌന്ദര്യത്തിലും മാത്രം താത്പര്യാമുള്ള ഒരു വിഭാഗം ആളുകളുടെ സഭയെ പൊതു ജന മധ്യത്തില്‍ അപഹാസ്യമാക്കാനുള്ള ഒരു ഉപായം അല്ലാതെ ഈ ബ്ലോഗ്ഗ് കൊണ്ടു എന്തെങ്കിലും പ്രയോച്ചനമുണ്ടോ??.
Our Narayanan is a great person.He has wide knowlege about our churches and he is an artist.Last seven years we were praying infront of the Alter that made by Mr.Narayanan, which gave us better feelings and peace than this new church's Alter.Who said or what happend in 1900 and 1934,didn't practced or continued in Kerala.Still this is an issue in Kerala,Why our church Leaders bring that to North America?.What is the purpese behind it?What do they gain out of this?.This curtain and cross were made upon Power?.We don't need to know any of the ansers.But we have only one request don't split us.Me and my family did talk to Bishop and Vicar regarding this,And they are looking for more members feed back .so,please talk to Bishop!.
it is clear that the veil was not in chicago church before the renovation. so it is Angadiath's decesion to put this veil infront of the church. as far as I know, he has informed about the veil to both committe members before installing. only a couple of committe members disagreed it and rest all did not utter a single word. that means committe members were silently agreed it. 'am not sure they were aware of the close/open business during mass time. I have travelled about 20 countries and 15 states in india, and visited many churches too and never seen such a drama during mass( closing and opeing veil! ). so if most of the parishners are not happy to do so, why BISHOP is adament on it?
fighting inside our small community is not good for us. so lets come to some conculsion wihtout breaking many parishners belief.
Narayanan is a carpenter. But he is a good person, no complaint. But the Sakraari, is polla, hollow, made out of playwood, for the syro-malabar convention in chicago. It is a symbol of our emptiness. No substance. By the way, it was made by polish artisans, and I was part of the team that over-saw that work.
Dear Mukkuvan,
There is a catholic church in Chicago located at 1208 Ashland Ave,. Evanston, IL 60202. Please visit that church on one Sunday and attend their Divine Liturgy. It is at 11.00 AM preceded by their Morning Prayer at 10.30 AM. I am sure you will have a heavenly experience when you attend that litugy. More over you can witness the opening and closing business of the veil in a catholic church under the Archdiocese of Chicago.(This church is under the Archdiocese of Chicago). If you have any questions, please feel free to ask Fr. Saji George the Pastor. He will be able to answer any of your questions which the Syro Malabar priests cannot answer.
http://www.smcnews.com/editorials/sabhayeprethi.pdf
CLick above link ,and read
http://www.smcnews.com/editorials/sabhayeprethi.pdf
I am from the Archdiocese of Ernakulam-Angamaly and now live in Chicago. I do not go to Chicago Syro Malabar Cathedral in Bellwood because I am not familiar with their Mass. I go to the local Latin church because there is not much difference between our Mass in Ernakulam and the Mass in the Latin church. Just like in Ernakulam, I can see the priest looking at me during the Mass. Our Mass is shorter like Latin Mass and we say the Nicene Creed(Profession of Faith) only once in a while just like Latin Catholics. Since our Mass is identical to the Latin Mass, I decided to go the Latin church. For me going to Bellwood Cathedral is a wastage of time and money . Most of our priests in Ernakulam wear Latin rite vestments (Gothic).Few priests wear Kappa which look like Latin vestments.
Antony Thekkumpadan
I would like to ask Rev.Fr. C.J.Varkey about his commentary in the theeppantham posted at 12:36pm on Aug 03,2008 regarding "Manikayen Cross".
(a) Are you ordained for Syro Malabar Church?. If so, I am positive that you are carrying Manikayen Cross at your back when you put the vestment (Kappa/Piena) for the celebration of Syro Malabar liturgy. So, you have a double standard in the church by cheating the people of god.
(b) According to your history based statement the dove on the top of the cross is "Mani", not the symbol of the Holy Spirit. Mr. Mani was killed in AD277
His followers were also passed away or disappered from the face of the earth in the 6th century. Was it because of flood, war or anything of that nature?. Can we, the readers of theeppantham believe your commentary?.
Dear Fr. Varkey :- The dove,
according to your comment the "Mani"was in the Christian belief before Mr. Mani was born in AD 216. Do you have any doubt that Jesus Christ lived brfore Mr. Mani who was born only in AD 216. If not, the Christian belief is totally wrong and there was no Holy Spirit's presence in the form of dove when Jesus Christ had his baptism. In the universal church, the Malankara Catholic Church carry dove on the back of their vestment. Even in the non-catholic church, the Orthodox Church carry the dove on the back of their Kappa as symbol of Holy Spirit.
There are many designs of Cross in the universal Church. Even though they look different, the main body is an empty cross in the middle and the other symboles are added to it to express the cultural influence where that particular spirituality was formed. All those Crosses are approved/authorised by Rome as the symbol of that particular church. Accordingly your Manikayen Cross was approved for the Syro Malabar Church by Rome in 1959 by an order called Ördho", hope you heard of it. Therefore, there is one and only authorized Cross for Syro Malabar Church called "Marthoma Sleeva". The meaning os Sleeva is Christ who suffered, died, burried and raisen. With the dove on top of this Sleeva indicate the presence of The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit i.e the "Holy Trinity".
In 1972, the government of India recognized this Manikayen Cross as the symbol of Marthoma Nazaranees'as a monument to this a twenty (20) paise stamp with its picture was also released. Those who still cannot accept this as the only authorised Syro Malabar Cross/Symbol, why do they carry it at their back, since it is so colourfull is it for the purpose of their personal attraction?.
മുക്കുവന്‍,
നമ്മുടെ ആരാധനാക്രമത്തെ ലത്തീന്‍ വത്കരിയ്ക്കാനുള്ള ശ്രമം പോര്‍ട്ടുഗീസ് കാലം മുതല്‍ ഉണ്ടായീ എന്നുള്ളത് ചരിത്രവസ്തുതയാണ്. ലത്തീന്‍‌വത്കരണത്തില്‍ നിന്ന് വിമുക്തമായി തനതായ പ്രാരമ്പര്യങ്ങളിലേയ്ക്ക് മടങ്ങിപ്പോകണമെന്നത് പരിശുദ്ധ സിംഹാസനത്തിന്റെ താത്പര്യമാണ്. പൌരസ്ത്യദൈവശാസ്ത്രത്തെക്കുറിച്ചോ പാരമ്പര്യങ്ങളെക്കുറിച്ചോ പരിശുദ്ധസിംഹാസനത്തിന്റെയും രണ്ടാംവത്തിക്കാന്‍ കൌണ്‍സിലിന്റെയും സീറോ മലബാര്‍ സഭാ സിനഡിന്റെയും താത്പര്യങ്ങളെക്കുറിച്ചോ നിര്‍ദ്ദേശങ്ങളെക്കുറിച്ചോ യാതൊരു അറിവുമില്ലാത്തവര്‍ക്ക് ഭൂരിപക്ഷമുണ്ടായേക്കാവുന്ന ഒരു സമൂഹം ജനാധിപത്യരീതിയില്‍ തീരുമാനിക്കേണ്ടതാണ് ആരാ‍ധനാക്രമ പരിഷ്കാരങ്ങള്‍ എന്ന് എനിയ്ക്കു തോന്നുന്നില്ല.
വിശുദ്ധകുര്‍ബാനയര്‍പ്പണത്തെക്കുറിച്ചുള്ള ഏറ്റവും നല്ല നിര്‍വ്വചനമെന്ന് എനിക്കു തോന്നുന്നത് രണ്ടാമത്തെ ആഗമനം വരെയുള്ള മിശിഹാരഹസ്യങ്ങളുടെ പുനര്‍അവതരണം എന്നുള്ളതാണ്. വിശുദ്ധ കുര്‍ബ്ബാന കേവലം പ്രാര്‍ഥനകളുടെ സഞ്ചയമോ അനുഷ്ടാനമോ ആഘോഷമോ മാത്രമല്ല എന്നു സാരം. ആ നിലയ്ക്ക് വിരി തുറക്കുന്നതെയും അടയ്ക്കുന്നതിനെയും ഡ്രാമ എന്നു വിശേഷിപ്പിയ്ക്കുന്നത് അറിവില്ലായ്മയായും അറിയാന്‍ ശ്രമിയ്ക്കാതിരിയ്ക്കുന്നതായും കരുതേണ്ടി വരും.
താങ്കള്‍ സഞ്ചരിച്ച 20 രാജ്യങ്ങളിലും 15 ഇന്ത്യന്‍ സംസ്ഥാനങ്ങളിലും ലത്തീല്‍ ആരാധനാക്രമമോ ലത്തീന്‍‌‌വത്കരിക്കപ്പെട്ട ആരാധനാക്രമമോ ആണ് നിലവിലിരിയ്ക്കുന്നത്. നൂറ്റാണ്ടുകളായി നമ്മള്‍ തുടര്‍ന്നുപോന്നിരുന്നതും ലത്തീന്‍ വത്കരിക്കപ്പെട്ട ആരാധനാക്രമം തന്നെയാണ്, ഇത് കേരളത്തിലെ മാത്രം കാര്യമല്ല, സാര്‍വ്വദേശീയമായി ഏതാണ്ട് എല്ലാ റീത്തുകളിലും അങ്ങനെ സംഭവിച്ചിട്ടൂണ്ട്. അവയില്‍ നിന്നു മാറി തങ്ങളുടെ വ്യക്തിത്വം വീണ്ടെടുക്കാനുള്ള സഭകളുടെ ശ്രമത്തിനു നേതൃത്വം നല്‍കുന്നത് പരിശുദ്ധ സിംഹാസനം തന്നെയാണ്.
സാര്‍വത്രിക സഭയെന്നാല്‍ ലത്തീന്‍ സഭയല്ല. അന്ത്യോക്യന്‍, അര്‍മ്മേനിയന്‍, അലക്സാണ്ട്രിയന്‍, കല്‍ദായ(പൌരസ്ത്യസുറിയാനി), ബൈസന്റൈന്‍, റോമന്‍ എന്നിങ്ങനെ ആറു സഭാകുടുംബങ്ങളാണ് കത്തോലിയ്ക്കാ സഭയില്‍ ഉള്ളത്. ഇതില്‍ റോമന്‍ സഭാ കുടൂംബത്തില്‍ പോലും ഒന്നിലധികം റീത്തുകളുണ്ടായിരുന്നു എന്നാണ് കേള്‍ക്കുന്നത്. നഷ്ടപ്പെട്ട പാരമ്പര്യങ്ങളെ തിരിച്ചുകൊണ്ടൂവരുവാനുള്ള ശ്രമങ്ങളാണ് ഇപ്പോള്‍ നടക്കുന്നത്. അതിനു നേതൃത്വം കൊടൂക്കുവാന്‍ മെത്രാന്‍മാര്‍ക്കു ബാധ്യതയുണ്ട്. അതിനു പിന്‍‌തുണകൊടുക്കേണ്ടത് വിശ്വാസികള്‍ തന്നെയാണ്.
“We need more historical facts from you on our church and its heritage.”
വളരെ പരിമിതമായ അറിവേ ഈ വിഷയങ്ങളില്‍ എനിക്കൂള്ളൂ. രണ്ടാം വത്തിക്കാന്‍ കൌണ്‍സിലിന്റെ ആരാധനാക്രമത്തെക്കുറിച്ചും പൌരത്യസഭകളെക്കുറിച്ചുമുള്ള ഡിക്രികള്‍ വായിക്കുക, ഇന്റര്‍നെറ്റില്‍ ലഭ്യമാണ്. അതുപോലെതന്നെ ജോണ്‍പോള്‍ രണ്ടാമന്‍ മാര്‍പ്പാപ്പയുടെ കിഴക്കിന്റെ വെളിച്ചം എന്ന ശ്ലൈഹീക ലേഖനവും. അതും ഇന്റര്‍നെറ്റില്‍ ലഭ്യമാണെന്നു കരുതുന്നു.
Hello Antony Thekkumpadan,
Thank you for your honest comment. Your comment says it all! I am a Syro Malabar Catholic from the Changanacherry diocese who lives in Chicago. I love the Syro Malabar church because I know its history. When ever possible I go to the cathedral to attend the Qurbana because it is the closest thing to the Qurbana in Chanagancherry that is available in the US. I had always thought that the priests in Ernakulam-Angamaly and other diocese that are actively involved Latinizing the church are distroying the Syro Malabar Rite by making it irrelevant. This is a serious offence. I hope that our Major Arch Bishop will take action on it. His role is to build up the Rite and protect its traditions, not to make it slowly disappear by making it part of the Latin Rite.
A Chicago Parishoner
I am originally from Kuravilangad, Kerala. I was talking to my bother in Kerala recently. He told me, yes, there is a viri hanging in front of the Althara. But it is never, never used during mass. It is parted and tied to the side pillars.
Now my question is: why our bishop is trying to introduce something that is not practiced even in Kuravilangad, one of the most conservative parishes of the Palai diocese? In all honesty, the bishop should try to do everything to restore unity in our parish. Ancient practices and customs are not of the utmost importance as unity and harmony. I agree 100% he should stay above the fray. Once this custom is established in Kerala, then he could do it here too. Bishop is jumping way ahead.
Mr Annony,
I dont like to answer to annony questions. The person without identity( hiding identity) doesn;t seems to be really intrested in any solution. probably finding a timepass for an argument.
anyway: I had been to Chicago bellwood church at least 20 times before the renovation, even last saturday for a mass. they never closed the veil. 'am not sure why they didn't close veil for some mass and do the drama other times :) so it is not because the rules, it is becuase of EGO?
till the renovation Jacob Angadiyath did not worried about the veil? was the mass was without divine spirit?
Mr anony, the parish people are asking not to remove the veil, but dont close and open during the mass. I guess it is coming from their heart. if the bishop is not listening their greivence I guess we are going to see some trouble for the church. do we really need that?
we all told to forgive, but Bishop is not even ready to get rid of his EGO?
yep that's called politics!
I am the Chicago Parishoner from Changanacherry responding to the person from Kuravilanjadu. One specific step of opening and closing the veil is not probably as important as the general philosopy. We as Syro Malabarians are one family. We have to let our Major Archbishop and other bishops who are supporting the latinization of the Rite know that they are in the path of complete distruction of the Rite itself. We cannot let that happen in Chicago or anywhere in the world. Changanacherry Arch Diocese is really on the right track. When I went home 2 years ago I saw that the veil was being opened and closed at my parish at Chaganacherry. During the inauguaration mass at Chicago I saw mostly everyone bowing their heads when the veil was opened during the song 'Sarwadipanam Karthave Ninne Vanangi Namikkunnu'. The same people including myself probably did not bow their heads during that song when we did not have the veil. So it is obvious that the veil increases the respect that people have for the Madbaha which actually represents heaven.
Congratulations to theeppantham. You are doing an outstanding job in communicating with people around the world as well as teaching them, which Bishop Angadiath or his appointed pasters failed to do for the people. We are so confused why there are so many syro malabar churches when we have catholic churches through out the country? If at all there are many different churches, all catholics have the same faith, same sacriments and same pope, then why do we want spent thousands of dollars for a syro malabar church? Are we getting any return for our investment or some achens from kerala getting? Some of our people are writing very informative comments about catholic church through theeppantham. Keep up the good work.
I agree. Unity and peace are important than a tradtional symbol.
I think the bishop has lost the goodwill of the people by his actions. His actions prove that for him resurrecting some ancient traditions is more important than a unity in his diocese.
I do not believe Changanacherry and Ernakulam will ever see eye to eye on this problem of veil and marthoma cross.Hence it is totally unwarranted for bishop Angadiath to raise this explosive issue in Chicago at this critical time. He is tempting division in the community. And ultimately, I believe, he will fail. Only a diplomatic, balanced and middle-ground based policy can succeed in Chicago.
A Latinized Syro Malabar church in the US is completely not worth the investment. There are enough Latin churches in the US. But a traditional Syro Malabar church is something some people are very glad to pay for.
I am a Chicago parishoner from Changanacherry too. I think the bishop has already taken a balanced-middle ground solution by putting both Mar Thoma Cross and Cruzifix behind the altar. That is exactly what we had behind the altar in the old church too. He had promised that the new church will be more traditional since we are building it.
I wan't all the money I payed returned. If Angadi and Thundan don't care about God, Love and Peace they must return everyones' money(every one who thinks they been misguided by both of the above Antichrists). Their sheer intention is to make millions of dollars and make the members like slaves by taking away their freedom. Every one must stop all their church payments untill they return the money. I did stoped my payment.
If Bishop Angadiyath is a follower of Jesus Christ, I dare him to publically announce the return of the money he took from people by lying them that it is for good. Otherwise he is a Bishop of Satan.
Let me introduce the Jocker of this blog. Mr. Mukuvan..hahaha..Mukuvan is this your original name??
മുക്കുവന്‍ said...
Mr Annony,
I dont like to answer to annony questions. The person without identity( hiding identity) doesn;t seems to be really intrested in any solution. probably finding a timepass for an argument.
Mukkuvan could be a hiding priest behind the mukkuvan anonymouse name but he is not helping the theeppantaham community.
May the soul of Fr.Antony Kurialacherry rest in peace. He started the Catholic fellowship with the intention of harmony and peace among the Indian Catholics. " Remmebr his exact words " A place for our kids to gather and to get to know each other and to encourage them to form the families within our own community and to flourish our own culture and traditions". I think we are missing the point now.
The catholic fellowship divided into Syromalankara, Knanaya Catholic, Latin catholic, and our own syromalabar. Okay I understand somewhat that is how it is in India also.
But why we are fighting for a cucifix that saved us 2000 years ago. Fight over a piece of cloth?
please think! Think twice !!
I am afraid that we will divide again as Changancherry , palai one group and Trichur and Ernakulam as another group Do we really want to see this. Do we really want to separate our kids again?
This sure was not the envision of our Kurialacherry achan! Let us keep the harmony and peace within us and move on with the same spirit, and let us keep the light lit by our own forefather " Our Kurialacherry achan".
Please avoid abusive language and offensive words in your comments. Remember, this is a forum for religious matters.
You are not worthy to say this. Pantham kathichu kathichu, palliyeyum almayareyum nattuchu. At last, sathan suvisesham prasangickunnu.
Achanayalum bishop ayalum theeppanthamayalum, uppu thinno, Vellam kudickum. PURATHU POYA THEEPPANTHAM EZHU(7)SAKTHIYODE THIRICHU VARUNNU....
I think I am to scared to respond to this BLOG... Guys please let's talk it out and setle our family matters inside our Chicago Church. Why unnecessarily we involve enture world in this personal matters..
"God will punish all of of you and me for writing any kind of a content in this blog. Most of us are writing only god stuff.. But some one in between us use nasty-vulgar language and we will be part of that sin too.. "B'se the blog owners of Theeppantham gave 'Such People" the opportunity to use such vulgar language thru Theepantham"
But it is bishop Angadiath who lit the fire to Theeppantham. I am afraid it is going to burn the bishop, our church and our community.
There is nothing to talk, by friend. Our bishop, the vivaradoshi, can end this crisis in one minute.
Let the bishop put his claver cross in his house. Not in our church. Same with sheela. If he wants it so bad.
This cross and sheela are surely cursed. It dont belong in our church. Where ever they are it causes division and disunity.
I learned church history, liturgy and eastern liturgy at kottayam vadavathoor seminary where the new age traditional cultic liturgy is taught fanatically.I have a doctorate in theology from Rome too.So please do not say I do not know the church inheritance and traditions.With all respect I say curtain and cross etc are just bullshit.The church that Jesus taught and the syrian church at present are far away from reality.What happens in Chicago or in India is a typical example especially in syrian catholic church.Authority is to serve and wash the feet of others as Jesus taught and showed at the last supper.The pagans use their authority to dominate and suppress the people, based on pagan practices and traditions.Just bcause of latinization we are still active.Even the land to build the church is the free contribution from the latin diocese.Praise them and their generosity."God can produce the children of Abraham even from the stones"So do not have the pride of having some foolish tradition but be realistic and humble to serve the people filled with the love of Jesus not by power of religious fanaticism and intolerance towards the people of God.Throw away all traditins that are threatening the love and unity of the community.This is 21st century era brains not 13 th to say Amen to everything from authorities.Ieushua(Jesus)was with the people for the people and served the people.But this will not go to the hearts of unscrupulouse syrian church diplomats,that is what I call the syrian authorities at present.
An ardent "suriyany catholikkan"with lot of "dharmika rosham"
You might have paid for this church. But now this church belongs to the bishop just like any other catholic institutions. He will have the cross he want...the veil he like...
Bishop Angadiath did not start this tradition. This is how Catholic Church is. Your forefathers put up with it...You deal with it...
Barking dog seldom bites
To:
The Ardent "Suriyani Catholikkan" with lot of "Dharmika rosham":
You said you learned church history, liturgy, eastern liturgy and have a doctorate in theology. But I don't think you know anything about churches. I am a Malankara Catholic and so I am a Syrian Catholic too. Do not think that you, the Syro malabar people, are the only "Suriyani Catholikkans". Your church may be big in number; you may have more priests,nuns,bishops, educational institutions and saints and blessed. Now all your dioceses are competing in making saints. But what is the use of it. Most of your priests, bishops including your Head and Father of the Church are indisciplined. Even your Major Archbishop violated the Synodal decisions. Somebody mentioned that in this forum. Watch the Shalom TV channel; you will see the liturgical abuses going on in the Syro Malabar church. These abuses are a scandal to the entire Christian Church in India.
With Love,
A Malankara Syrian Catholic
"Mattuvin Chattangale" Overthrow the church authority just like what happened in Europe.Wait and see eventually the syrians will vacate their churches.Wait for a new era of awakened christian love instead of rusted cultic traditonal practices.Worship God in spirit and truth,that is worship in heart which is the temple of God and practice love.
Dear Ardent "Suriyani Catholikkan" with lot of "Dharmika rosham",
You seem to have lost your senses. We in Chicago Syro Malabar Cathedral and our Bishop follow the teachings of the Catholic Church and the Holy Synods. Those who question those are not Catholics or 'Suriyani Catholikkans'. Don't get excited about one or two annonymous people that write Theepantham. They do not represent our parish in any way.
A Chicago Parishoner
To the malankata syrian commented above.
I do not think you are malankara either.You are a pentachostal to blame the syrian church.No malankara priests or bishops are any better than any syryian bishops or priests.You have shalom and everybody have shalom.And You did not even understood what I said.Here the problem is not what you speak.Here the problem is syrian liturgy and you have nothing to contribute here.So please shut up.
What is this "holy synod"??.Stop this bullshit about something which is not holy.Who is this "thirumany" from old brahmin and kings period.No "many" is "thiru" anymore.Or every body is "thiru".When shall we shed off these scales of the past from our church then our community will be holy and one again.The people of God are holy as a whole not some specific persons.
You seem to have a lot of nonesense than sense.Well common sense is not so common when somebody is brainwashed by religion.And they can never think out of the box,canot see farther than the little window's creek.
"You are not supposed to smile and say "have a niceday" when you sell coffins or when you put wreath on the dead"Better to have that much dense.!
Christeeya Sabha is not the union of three two priest and a bishop.Janangale kurngu kalippickunnavar. Vivaramillaymaye, ninte perano bishop....Here Who is the big KALLAN? That credit goes to Vicar. Holy ghost is not working in their heart. We can see a total annihilation in our church. They will spoil the "SANCTUM SANGTHORUM"
hi everybody,why these things happening.If you want to put the curtain put it a nice way.Take off the claver cross and put real cross in the middle make both parties happy.This is what we did it before when padiyara was incharge. Half of time the priest facing the people for the mass and the rest of the time facing the altar. We need compramise guys
hi everybody,why these things happening.If you want to put the curtain put it a nice way.Take off the claver cross and put real cross in the middle make both parties happy.This is what we did it before when padiyara was incharge. Half of time the priest facing the people for the mass and the rest of the time facing the altar. We need compramise guys
what is going on guys let us go back to the old church with naryana's altar with malayalam mass let the manglish people take care of the new church
Which is the real cross; the cross in the middle or the crosses of the criminals on the left and right?
Whatever be its name; Clavar, Manakkayan, Thamara, Mar Thoma Cross, St.Thomas Cross, Holy Cross or Mar Sleeva it is a cross; an empty cross without the dead body of the criminals hanged on two sides of our Lord Jesus Christ. Any way this cross is approved by Rome and the Holy Episcopal Synod of the Syro Malabar Church. So,as ordinary lay people, we shouldn't be afraid of the authenticity of this cross. We shouldn't be more catholic than the Holy Catholic Church. After all, all the crosses are made by a carpenter or a locksmith or a handyman.
I am a Syro Catholic and a parishner ..
Christ suffers in his own church,” and "How much filth there is in the church …..
If some one forces us to believe in something lese tommarow, what you do, would go with them or you stand with the biblical teaching? Ask yourself.
There are about 7 billion people on earth, and there are many religions and many types of worship places that you might have seen; have you ever seen a VEIL in their worship places. Some wicked people’s ides is not considered the voice of all.
The gospel is defined as the good news concerning Jesus’ death, burial, and resurrection, according to the scriptures (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). As Paul warns in Galatians 1 about false prophets and false teachers
Gal 1:7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:10For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
You may need to browse through the following links which help you to get some cool air.
Lotus Cross Origin http://www.ttc.edu.sg/csca/CS/2003-Aug/LAU.pdf
http://www-tech.mit.edu/V120/N14/col14kris.14c.html
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0003/12/sm.06.html
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0502405.html
Let the light shine on us; remove the VEIL and ClaverLotusCross from the church. Put the real cross in its right place and venerate and credit to one cross in the ALTAR.
please remove the veil then the alter will look good
Saji,
Dont take Tom Varkey to Jogi Achan's meeting.We dont want him in church.I think Reji allready discussed it with you.
Sunny(Thorappan)
Saji,
Dont take Tom Varkey to Jogi Achan's meeting.We dont want him in church.I think Reji allready discussed it with you.
Sunny(Thorappan)
Jogi Achan's drama,
He will talk lot of bullshitt and let everyone go to Coppell Church.
My question is this.
Do we need Fr.Jogi's permission to go to a church in United States of America.Great.
Inganathe Viddikalaya Achanmaar iniyum Palayil undo?
So what this guy is trying to do?
manda manda manda............
be a good boy mandaaaa.......
RESPONSE TO COMMENT 27.
SIR, THAT IS WHY THE EVANSTON CHURCH ON ASHLAND AVE. IS CALLED A SYRO MALANKARA CHURCH ( SYRO MALANKRA RITE).
HERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SYRO MALABAR RITE. THERE IS A CLEAR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RITES.
WE ALL ARE UNDER ROME AND THE POPE.
THE DECISION IS WETHER TO STAY WITH THE TRADITIONS THAT MOST OF THE KERALA SYROMALABARIANS KEEP OR TO GO BACK TO THE EASTERN CHURCH ( MALANKARA,JACOBAYA AND MAR THOMA SABHA TRADITIONS ) .
I AM NOT SAYING TRADITIONS OF THOSE CHURCHES ARE WRONG AT ALL.
OUR BISHOPS SHOULD GET TOGETHER AND DECIDE TO HAVE ONE SET OF TRADTIONS FOR ALL OF US SYROMALABAR CATHOLICS.
OTHERWISE WE ARE LEADING TO DIVISION OF SYROMALABAR CHURCH.
I AM SAD TO SEE THAT OUR SYROMALABAR CHURCH IS MORE CONCERNED ABOUT UNWORTHY MATERIAL THINGS THAN SPRITUALITY,PRAYER,HUMILITY,PACE AND LOVE.
LETS US PRAY FOR OUR BISHOPS SO THEY CAN FOLLOW THE FOOT STEPS OF JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF.
HOPEFULLY THEY CAN PRACTICE WHAT THEY PREACH. REMEMBER THEY ARE HUMAN, JUST LIKE YOU AND ME,AND LIKE THE POLITITIANS.
LET GOD MAKE US ALL HUMBLE.
fLORIDIAN.
response to comment 36.
SIR, I AM VERY GLAD YOU ENJOY THE CHANGANASSERI STYLE SYROMALABAR TRADITIONS.
WHEN DID YOU ALL START PRACTICING THESE CHANGANASSERI TRADITIONS ?
CHRISTIANITY IN KERALA HAS BEEN THROUGH MANY TRANSFORMATIONS AND SEPERATIONS AND THE SYROMALABAR SABHA HAS BEEN STABLE FOR A LONG TIME.
WHY DO YOU WANT TO COME UP WITH IDEOLOGY OF DIVISION ? WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON OUR CHRISTIAN AND CATHOLIC FAITH.WE SHOULD BE WORKING TO STRENGTHEN IT NOT MAKE IT WEAK BY MAKING CHANGES TO THE VERY FUNDAMENTAL CATHOLIC BELIEF ABOUT THE CRUCIFIX.
WHY DO MOST OF THE CHURCHES UNDER CHANGANASSERI ARCH DIOCESE not HAVE THESE TRADITIONS OF GETTING RID OF THE CRUCIFIX AND INSTALLING THE MAR THOMAS CROSS AND THE VEIL.
YOU SOUND LIKE YOU ONLY CARE ABOUT YOUR SELFISH REASONS.YOU HAVE NO CONSIDERATION FOR THE REST OF THE SYROMALABAR CATHOLICS OF KERALA.
YOU ARE SO EGOCENTRIC THAT YOU WANT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE SYROMALABAR CATHOLICS OF KERALA TO FOLLOW THE RULES MADE BY YOUR BISHOP MAR POWETHIL.
KEEP IN MIND THIS HAS BEEN ENFORCED ONLY IN A SMALL MINORITY OF THE CHURCHES UNDER CHANGANASSERI ARCH DIOCESE.
DON'T YOU THINK OUR RELIGIOUS LEADERS SHOULD BE FINDING WAYS TO UNITE US and NOT COME UP WITH REASONS TO DIVIDE US.
fLORIDIAN.
Size of this cross and thamara is right/nice, cute, one for Thamarasserry diocese is over size - not proportional, therefore let's follow this one.
Thorappan is sooo keen to remove Tom Varkey uncle and Peter from church.
Ithu Thorappante palli ano?
Kollam Kunjee ninnistam....
Thallaaan padillennalum....
nadakkilla Thorappa kuttaappi.....
All these politics is played by the bishop and priests is to divert you from the real issue that they are focusing on.
Getting all your money they can!!
Please donate to the poor people of India rather than helping the economy and the rich here in the US.
Syro Malabar was brought to US only for that purpose which is making money. All the US folks who donated lavishly for what ever reason their parishes back home should think now.They attracted all these priests to USA.
Otherwise these people should go elsewhere in the world and be missionaries of Christ
Fr.Varghese,
If you give your password to vatan or pottan or kallukudian then they will tap your phone and emails.That is what they use to do.
They will open your personal letter too.
So be carefull.They will come in your house in the name of helping,installing asianet and internet.Be carefull.
I do not believe Changanacherry, Trichur, and Ernakulam will ever see eye to eye on this problem of veil and marthoma cross.Hence it is totally unwarranted for bishop Angadiath to raise this explosive issue in USA at this critical time. He is proving himself to be a DIVIDER. And ultimately, I believe, he will fail. Only a diplomatic, balanced and middle-ground based policy can succeed in USA. As If Chicago & Coppell are not enough, he's creating fresh mess in Miami & Philadelphia. Watch out Garland, NJ, Houston, Phoenix. Your TURN NEXT. Emperor NERO is on the THRONE in Chicago
This is a custom followed by 4 or 5 dioceses out of 25 or 26 dioceses in Kerala. Even in those 4 or 5 dioceses, in most of the churches, they don't close the veil during mass. Even in Pala & Changancherri.
The bishop has shown a total disregard for the people from the dioceses that does not follow this custom. He exploited the respect people show the clergy to play politics of the most shameful kind.
All Syro Malabar Churches need to publish on the notice board the previous week's collection amount, and how much was paid towards mortage, and utility bills.
Any amount in excess of $99 that the parish spent during the previous week must be published on the notice board.
Report should include any and all special collections taken during previous week, and how much was forwarded to the intended recepient.
If this information is not published, put ZERO dollars when collection basket comes around.
Put less money if the previous week's collected amount is more than 110% of the church's operating expenses. If expenses listed adds up to $2K and collection came up to be $3K, give half the amount as previous Sunday.
Don't destroy your parish and diocese by giving them too much money.
Manikkan Cross Birth Day fathered by Powethil.
On March 24th, 1983 Rev. Mathew Anthiyakulam announced that two members of his parish had unearthed a stone cross established by Jesus' apostle Saint Thomas in 57 A.D in Nilakkal.
Many Christian believers went to see the cross , but the cross they saw was a brand new , not 2,000 years old as claimed.
Even though church leaders claimed the cross "was found, erected and photographed at the site," three days later, a police petition has been filed to the effect that the cross was stolen”.
So where is that cross?,
what language is scripted in that cross?,
AD 52 cross with script in a language originated in 6th century.
Who is fooling who?, for what?
Is it because Powethil did not get Kardinal post?
Stop all this rubbish,,, Catholic church belongs to Jesus only, only Cross worthy to be worshiped is the Crucifix.....,
Tomorrow, will some of you ask to put Powethil's or Angadiath's photo in the altar and to worship it.....
Jesus may help you think properly if you let him help you.
Syro Malabar Symbol Cross,
priests carry it at their back of thiru vasthram,
since it is so colorful,
it is for the purpose of the symbol representation,
not to be worshiped and not to be in altar at any time..
Only a symbol,,, symbol,,,symbol yes it is just a symbol cross just like a logo.....
St.Alphonsa never see this claver cross and Viri. So she become a saint.Forget about Powvathil He is same like K Karunakarn.He is a nuisance for Congress.Now powvathil is a Nuisance for Kerala Catholics. 70 plus living this world and making troubles.
History and tradition will tell you who you are and where you come from. It is St. Thomas who lighted the candle of faith in India especially Kerela. He was one of the witnesses of the first Holy Qurbana. That situation was so tense and intense that he or any of the other disciples had not have any time to pull curtain at that time; nor did they have any curtain in that room to pull apart; even if they had a curtain they would not have remembered to pull apart since what was going on was much important than pulling the curtain.
On the next day when actual Mass was offered no one was there to pull the curtain at Golgotha. Jesus was not behind a curtain and those who were witnessing the crucifixion were standing facing/in front of Him and not behind him.
This is the Holy Mass St. Thomas is familiar with. St. Thomas never brought a cross with lotus to India since lotus had not been a symbol of India.
Given this situation let us come to following conclusion.
1. The history takes us to the very first Holy Mass where there was no curtain. The curtain that was hanging in Jerusalem Temple was torn from top to bottom signifying the needlessness of a curtain in the Temple.
2. The cross used for the first Holy Mass was not the disputed Cross.
3. Since there was not curtain used for the first Holy Mass, St. Thomas never used curtain and the disputed cross whenever he said Holy Mass.
4. Since St. Thomas came and preach in India we get direct information and tradition from St. Thomas himself. St. Thomas did not go after the “Indianisation” of Holy Mass as he was not a spokesperson of gospel of compromise but gospel of Jesus Christ. So there would be any way of imparting the tradition of pulling the curtain during Holy Mass. The people at that time were comfortable with the way of Holy Mass offered by St. Thomas.
4. This thinking will prompt us to infer that latter addition of curtain and the disputed cross are foreign to the first Christians of Kerela.
5. Whoever added these curtain and the disputed cross did a irrecoverable damage to our church.
6. We need not look on to any church outside India like Antioch church, Chaldean church or any Syrian church for our tradition. Our tradition comes from Jesus through St. Thomas to Kerela Christians. Whoever comes in between are/should/cannot be accepted/treated as the makers of our church tradition.
7. Some say disciples of St. Thomas played an important role in shaping our liturgy. That too cannot be accepted since we had our own liturgy as taught by St. Thomas. No disciple is greater than the Master. Whoever is pro for the role of the disciples of St. Thomas should answer the following questions.
1. How we offered Holy Mass after the death of St. Thomas and before the arrival of any other missionary whomsoever?
2. Did the first Christians use curtain and the disputed cross for that Mass before the arrival of these missionaries?
3. What was the form of that liturgy? Eastern or Western?
4. Is it not just and proper to omit whatever was incorporated in to our own liturgy whether from disciple or any other missionary?
5. Why do you speak against Westerners and not against those who came from the East who had anything to do with our liturgy?
6. Why did the Easterners added to our liturgy, since we had our own liturgy inherited from St. Thomas.
7. If at all anything were wrong with our liturgy, St. Thomas would have corrected it by adding or omitting. So what was the role of these disciples? Who gave them the authority to change/add to/omit from our own liturgy?
So let us turn to our history and tradition which does not have curtain and disputed Cross and follow it. Let us seek what unite us and not disunite us. It is not the style of Cross but the one who hang on the Cross is important. God is not concerned with the curtain but with the way of our dressing while being in the church.
George Chacko
George Chacko
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Can anybody give more details about Kanjirappally Bishop’s (Who sold DEEPIKA) circular regarding last Holy Week celebration...????
Clavar "mania" crossing all the limits..
It is heard that no crucifix on Good Friday…, Claver cross should be used and touch with sponge and the sponge should be dipped in “Kaippunner” before giving to “kunjadukal "!!!!!!
Readers ..anybody knows more about this circular ?...please give more details..
Dear Brothers & Sisters: Please read http://UNITED-CHURCHES.ORG & the Holy Bible; and come out of the world of "well" where the whole world is for frogs. God is the Father of everyone. The elder brother of Prodigal son thinks the Father is his only. What will happen if the prodigal son went to the elder son instead of going to the Father. The prodigal son would have been EXPLOITED and driven away. It should not happen to me or anyone else. Because many church leaders are like those in Mathew 23:23-24.
John
UNITED-CHURCHES.ORG
http://www.united-churches.org/
All ye Faithfull,
HIRANMAYENU PATHRENAM SATHYASA VIHITHAM MUKHAM, SATHYAM BHUSHANNU PAPINO SATHYA DHARMAYA DRUSHTAYEE..
One of my friend, a very honest and respected person, a teacher and great philosopher called Devasia sir, who worked with and knows Bishop Powathil very well, once said "Vivaram ennu parayunna sadhanam idhehathinte anchu ayalpakkathude polum poyittilla" Even now it is the same. Thinking that He can become the pathriyarkies of the East and create his own Empire, This Power thirst Evil Man started preaching Kaldayism and introduced Manichaen Cross. He compelled to replace the Divine Crucifix with the Manichean cross (anyone still doesn't know, please google-Manichaen cross) of abomination in all the churches under his power and influence, thus caused hatred, division and enemity amongst church members, also the church lost so many souls. He promised to share the benefits of negotiation with supporting Bishops and Priests, threatened and attacked who ever opposed. This Evil Bishop is assigned by Lucifer to distroy the Church Built by Jesus. All power thirst-Money-thirst priests and Bishops are Joined his army against God for material gains, along with few sheeps who believe in obedience than Jesus, means they will simply reject Jesus if ordered by a Bishop. There is a common speciality among these so called Bishops that DEATH is allways prominant in their speeches. They do not realize that, in his second coming, Jesus is not coming as a powerless Baby. Our victorious Lord will come in all his Glory and Might. If we side with these anti-Christ manicheans, I do not know what our Lord will call us, but if St. John the Baptist is around there, He will certaily call us Sons of Serpents...
A faithful stupid
Dear Brothers,
We respect our traditions and the rules, But Manichean cross is not our tradition. St Thomas has never seen a cross like this as the oldest Manichaen cross carbon tested for AD 650, Do you think St. Thomas came to Kerala in AD 650? This saitanic cross Proclaims anti christian theories, which was the teaching of Mani. (anyone still doubt? google- Manichaen cross) It was created by Manis to distroy christianity and it succeeded to a great extend just because the early christians of Middle east accepted it. It is a strong instument of satan which should never be placed in our church or on any Alter. You cannot worship God and Mammon at the same time. It is introduced with a Big Lie. Now they changed the tone, saying it is the symbol of resurrection, because St Thomas has seen the resurrected Christ.( Do you believe, Only St. Thomas has seen the Resurrected Christ, not other Appostles?) If it is so Why Manicheaen cross? This is now coming to the churches not through any saints but an enemy of Charismatic movement and retreats. Since its introduction, we lost so many families, so many souls. lust and greediness for money and power has dominated all our churches of Syro Malabar. (lotus is symbol of lust), Mar Powathil is just an instrument of evil. This so called Power thirst evil bishop thinking to become the Great Patriarkies of the East and negotiating with Rome by taking Syro Malabar Church back to Kaldayism. He promised to share these power and wealth with supporting, money thirst-power-thirst bishops and priests; threatened and tortured whoever opposed. They also have support of some ignorant parisioners and few faithful"sheeps' who believe in obeying than in Jesus, means if a bishop orders they will even reject Jesus for the sake of obeying. Wake up we fools, let us pray to Holyspirit to open our eyes.
A faithful stupid
KM
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