കൊപ്പേല്‍: കോപ്പെലിലെ സീറോ മലബാര്‍ ഇടവകാംഗങ്ങള്‍ക്ക് ഓരോരുത്തര്‍ക്കും ചിക്കാഗോ ബിഷപ്പ് മാര്‍ അങ്ങാടിയത്ത് നേരിട്ട് ലെറ്റര്‍ അയച്ചിരിക്കുന്നു. നാല് പേജ് നീളമുള്ള എഴുത്ത് ഇന്നാണ് ജനങ്ങള്‍ക്ക്‌ കിട്ടാന്‍ തുടങ്ങിയത്.
കഴിഞ്ഞ കുറെ ആഴ്ചകളായി കോപ്പെലില്‍ അദ്ദേഹം കാട്ടിക്കൂട്ടിയ അധിക്രമത്തെയും അരാജകത്വത്തെയും നീതീകരിക്കുവാന്‍ ഏത് മാര്‍ഗവും അവലംബിക്കുവാന്‍ അദ്ദേഹം തയ്യാറാണ് എന്നതിന് ഈ എഴുത്ത് ഏറ്റവും വലിയ തെളിവാണ്. നാല് പേജ് നിറയെ നുണകളുടെ ഒരു പരമ്പരയാണ് ഈ എഴുത്ത്. തന്റെ അന്ന്യായവും മ്ലേച്ഛവുമായ ചെയ്തികളെ നീതീകരിക്കാന്‍ ഓവ് ചാല് വരെ താഴാന്‍ അദ്ദേഹം തയ്യാറായിരിക്കുന്നു. കോപ്പെലിലെ വികാരിയോടും ജനങ്ങളോടും ബിഷപ്പ് എത്ര നികൃഷ്ടവും ഹീനവുമായാണ് പെരുമാറിയതെന്ന് അദ്ദേഹത്തിന് സ്വയം മനസ്സിലായതുകൊണ്ടാകാം ഇത്ര വലിയ ഒരു നുണക്കത്തെഴുതുവാന്‍ അദ്ദേഹം മിനക്കെട്ടത്‌.
എന്നാല്‍ ബിഷപ്പിന്റെ ഈ എഴുത്ത് ഞങ്ങള്‍ക്കു കിട്ടിയ ഒരസുലഭാവസരമായി ഞങ്ങള്‍ കണക്കാക്കുന്നു. നമ്മുടെ ഇടയന്റെ യഥാര്‍ത്ഥ മുഖം അമേരിക്കന്‍ സീറോ മലബാര്‍ വിശ്വാസികള്‍ക്ക് മുമ്പില്‍ മുഖം മൂടി നീക്കി കാണിച്ചു കൊടുക്കുവാന്‍ ഈ എഴുത്ത് ഞങ്ങള്‍ക്കു പ്രയോജനപ്പെടും.
കഴിഞ്ഞ കുറെ ആഴ്ചകളായി കോപ്പെലില്‍ അദ്ദേഹം കാട്ടിക്കൂട്ടിയ അധിക്രമത്തെയും അരാജകത്വത്തെയും നീതീകരിക്കുവാന്‍ ഏത് മാര്‍ഗവും അവലംബിക്കുവാന്‍ അദ്ദേഹം തയ്യാറാണ് എന്നതിന് ഈ എഴുത്ത് ഏറ്റവും വലിയ തെളിവാണ്. നാല് പേജ് നിറയെ നുണകളുടെ ഒരു പരമ്പരയാണ് ഈ എഴുത്ത്. തന്റെ അന്ന്യായവും മ്ലേച്ഛവുമായ ചെയ്തികളെ നീതീകരിക്കാന്‍ ഓവ് ചാല് വരെ താഴാന്‍ അദ്ദേഹം തയ്യാറായിരിക്കുന്നു. കോപ്പെലിലെ വികാരിയോടും ജനങ്ങളോടും ബിഷപ്പ് എത്ര നികൃഷ്ടവും ഹീനവുമായാണ് പെരുമാറിയതെന്ന് അദ്ദേഹത്തിന് സ്വയം മനസ്സിലായതുകൊണ്ടാകാം ഇത്ര വലിയ ഒരു നുണക്കത്തെഴുതുവാന്‍ അദ്ദേഹം മിനക്കെട്ടത്‌.
എന്നാല്‍ ബിഷപ്പിന്റെ ഈ എഴുത്ത് ഞങ്ങള്‍ക്കു കിട്ടിയ ഒരസുലഭാവസരമായി ഞങ്ങള്‍ കണക്കാക്കുന്നു. നമ്മുടെ ഇടയന്റെ യഥാര്‍ത്ഥ മുഖം അമേരിക്കന്‍ സീറോ മലബാര്‍ വിശ്വാസികള്‍ക്ക് മുമ്പില്‍ മുഖം മൂടി നീക്കി കാണിച്ചു കൊടുക്കുവാന്‍ ഈ എഴുത്ത് ഞങ്ങള്‍ക്കു പ്രയോജനപ്പെടും.
74 comments:
Bishop is absolutely correc.
I think at least now the few gundaas and gundees will realise the big mistakes they have done in Coppell Church.
The people who fought with the Bishop must say sorry infront of the entire parish, and those who gave money to Achen from Church fund must return the money.
Bishop's letter is crystal clear, the mistake is with Fr. Saji and few people who (mis)guided him.
looks like people are turning the table around after seeing the letter
Bishop puts all blame in the letter to the people and fr. saji. He ignores his on partiality decision to put claver and viri in coppell church against 100% peoples will when he visited in Coppell. Also he ignored the fact that we only had crucifix in the church when Bishop issued first firing letter to Fr. Saji. The alter was not touched other than having crucifix. There was no reason for financial allegations in holy week. Bishop is just trying to fool the people by sending this letter with false information. These people are real politicians and know how to tur peoples mindset.
we are not upset that Bishop lied to us through this letter we got today, we are upset that from now on we can't believe you.
A half-truth is the most cowardly of lies.
That is what I think about this letter.The naked truth is always better than the best dressed lie.
So it will be wise you tell the truth that your ultimate aim was to install Marthoma cross and curtain.So we all are waiting for you to say that naked truth than the best dressed lies.
You Disappointed us again!!!!!!!!!
Bishop once again has proven, he is not a good leader, he by insulting a priest, to cover up the issue of his inability to lead the Diocese.
You are not trustworthy to us......
Please stop all these and retire.....
Heard Fr. Saji is now in India, did he declare at the Customs the huge anount he has taken with him ?
His Excellency, you are really great, we Coppell parishoners respect your simplicity. We need your guidance.
A letter full of lies! No facts or proofs to support his accusations on Fr Saji.
Most of the letter covers incidents after the transfer order. Literally nothing indicating what caused the transfer order.
Just playing with words like 'disobedience, disrespect, deliberate, premeditated etc'. No proofs or facts.
Dear Bishop
Please tell us why you have fired Fr Saji in the first place. Most of your letter says what happened after your firing order.
From the letter, it seems that you have fired Fr Saji for 'your bitter experience on March 7th' There is no other incidents in your letter indicating the 'violation of the Procedure Rules' by Fr Saji that caused his firing.
We all know what Fr Saji did afrer your firing order.
What you are not telling us is what happened before?
Poster #9,
Are you a moron, an idiot, or stupid? Which one is it? How much did the syro diocese pay you to post that comment?
can you post the letter so that we all can read it?
Dear Bishop,
Have the guts to admit your mistake. You fired Fr.Saji for installing crucifix. Blinking doesn't change the facts.
Vicar General said, 'bishop didn't say you cannot put crucifix at the altar'.
Fr. Saji put crucifix at the altar.
The next day Bishop fired Fr. Saji, and asked him to leave by April 15th.
People complained they can't see the crucifix unless they sit near the center aisle because of a temporay styrofoam wall in front of the crucifix.
Wall was taken down along with a 5 feet deep baptismal pool that was behind the temporary wall.
The Next day pastor from Garland church delivered letter from bishop asking Fr. Saji to leave the Coppell church the next day (that is Monday, April 5).
People who did not like Fr. Saji made up stories about financial fraud. Those people may include other priests. remember, we have seen some of the fine behavious of our priests at the syro-malabar convention in Dallas.
Fr. Saji did not take any money. It is just a lie to cover up the fact that Fr. Saji was fired for putting crucifix in the altar of Coppell church.
Dear Bishop,
Did you make this letter or someone made it for you?. Half of the matters you mentioned in the letter is not true.
1.They do the wire transfer first and went to providence later.You are telling different
2.$25000. used for daily expenses.it is used for loan payment and building fund return.
Please find out what is really happening. don't listen others
pls post my blog.I write this from my work place.
Dear friends our Bishop open his true face through his letter.Now things are much easy,we have a written proof of what&how he does things,we can present it to authorities now,dont worry,things will be in wright direction.
Bishop you should have sent this to Reji for Grammer check beforehand
Good job
Friends those who wish to send it back to him pls bring your letter on Sunday
Ashamed of you our shepard
We need some more clarification from you
CONFIDENTIAL - YOU *****rd
First paragraph of your threatening letter:
You talk about we have been disturbed by unexpected and unfortunate turn of events in our church>>>>>>>>>
your obligation is/was to support Garland Kavalam church from the very beginning , don't give any other other explanations.....
We were always submitted to our God, and always wondered why we have a Bishop like you, and your only intention was to have our church altar like you did in Garland church when you were as vicar there, before you got your post Bishop just because you installed the claver in the altar of Kavalam church.
Some people solely come on Sunday for fighting and the number of ammachees on week days is low, they say "Oru Rassavum Ella, Saji Achen undayerannappool kurachu paradookshanam kaikamaerunnu".
Bishop has cleared the issue nicely, now is there any other bone for the dogs to bite.
Bishop?
Thomma as a kaikaran transfer this amount by getting sign from Fr.Saji and Shibu.
How come you blame fr.Saji for it?
Why you blindly blv this kind of nut and write a letter?
My god,90% of what you say in that letter is not true.
It is going to be a disaster again.
CONFIDENTIAL - YOU *****rd
Second/third paragraph of your threatening letter:
What is Curia, does it consists only people that have Claver faith?
You are talking about relieving Fr. Saji on April 6th 2010, but what about the letter you sent on April 1st 2010, telling him to leave without telling anyone?
The decision to recall Fr. Saji, What about you violating the rule of Syro Malabar Synod asking the Bishops not to impose Claver if the majority of parishioners object to this nameless/undefined cross?
We the majority of Coppell parishioners know this much, you as Bishop has tried/been trying very deliberately, premeditated to tarnish a priest like Fr. Saji to sell your Powethil agenda of installing Claver in all churches under your Dioceses.
CONFIDENTIAL - YOU *****rd-3
Fourth paragraph of your threatening letter:
The pothuyogum and parish council are here to protect the interest and faith of the fellow parishioners, not like you want, to kiss up to you Bishop always, like very few of our own seminary rejects and position seekers did.
CONFIDENTIAL - YOU *****rd--4
Fifth paragraph of your threatening letter:
Your visit to Coppell:
We all know one thing, you came here preplanned agenda of firing Fr. Saji.
You acted very uncivilized, unprofessional, mean to us( the congregation) and we realized one thing very clearly, you are not a capable Bishop/leader to all of us, you are a just a third rate politician.
CONFIDENTIAL - YOU *****rd--5
Sixth paragraph of your threatening letter:
You don't have any valid reasons for forcing us to put Claver and sheela in our church altar, you are just telling us it is the law and you will enforce it on us.
Can you tell us valid and justifiable reasons?
what is the name of this cross? and why it has to be in the altar?
Following instructions are ok, if the follower understands why he/she is following the instruction, and if he/she has doubts, it is your duty and obligation as a Bishop to explain it, about Claver and sheela.
CONFIDENTIAL - YOU *****rd--6
Seventh paragraph of your threatening letter:
Construction of sanctuary--- your kavalam church in Garland as a model-- you got Bishop post for putting Claver in there we all know.
Do you really think, this so called Claver/Manikyn/St. Thomas/Symbol/powethil cross is more important than crucifix?
You say you are not against crucifix-- How can you even say this as a Catholic Bishop?
What you really think Jesus did for us?
Is it that he saved us by crucifixion and death?
Or he resurrected himself after death?
You are a kaldayavalkaranam supporter it clearly shows, real Catholics only believe in one cross that is crucifix.
You are an Eastern Antiokian Church Canon law supporter, where parishioners have no right/say in any matters of the church.
Eda Kazhuthakale, ene entha number, bishop pane oppechu, nenakkonnum thala ella, good bye.
Bishop,
Do you know the meaning of "CONFIDENTIAL" ?????.
You send the letter to parishioners.Why they want to Keep it confidential.This letter shows that your are a dirty politician not a bishop.We going to forward this letter to pope and request for a new Bishop.
CONFIDENTIAL - YOU *****rd--7
Eighth paragraph of your threatening letter:
Parishioners and Director of any mission usually respect and obey any normal Bishop.
But in this case, we all know your only intention is to sell Claver to our Church, and you used some of our own position seekers to make a situation in our church, just like using Kallu Saju to rewrite our General Body Minutes..
Your procedure Rules of the Diocese were broken many times by yourself, examples serving beer/vine in Garland church when you were presiding the party in 2007, by you personally cashing a check of $10,000.00 from compass bank in garland church which was mission Sunday collection from garland church, buying Chicago office building for $875,000.00 and selling it back for $125,000.00 and so so .....
CONFIDENTIAL - YOU *****rd--8
Ninth paragraph of your threatening letter:
Easter Sunday at Coppell:
It was a day, more than 200 parishioners worked all day long to clear the BATHTUB and side screens from the altar, (not like your ass kissing supporters were drinking and celebrating your firing of Fr. Saji), so all parishioners will be able to see the cruciifx in the altar.
But you were planning to design your predetermined altar($120,00.00 estimated cost) design of Claver in the center and sheela with chaanathalayn leading construction committee, which we the faithful made happen under $12,000.00, we know you don't hold back in spending our money, because we are the one worked hard for it....
posters #1 - #5,
Seems that you guys were waiting for this blog . Are you the 5 nice people from Coppell mentioned by rest of the Goondas?
You should reply to the rest of the comments posted by the public . Okay.
Or are you going to follow the same path? First support the Bishop and when public raise the voice you will keep your mouth shut.
You guys are really proving that you don't have back bone at all!!!!!!!!!!!
CONFIDENTIAL - YOU *****rd--9
Tenth paragraph of your threatening letter:
Providence bank withdrawl:
Your ass kisser vattan thoma did this $25,000.00 transfer.
By the way you seem like very much concerned about our money, listen up Bishop we bought this church with our money, we will take care of it if you just leave us in peace....
We do know money, better than you do, we are doing that every day not like you, seems like you don't have any idea what is going in real ordinary people life.....
If and only if you just leave us alone, our church financial situation will improve, then only we all will start contributing to the church.
CONFIDENTIAL - YOU *****rd--11
Eleventh paragraph of your threatening letter:
Stop wining about we spending our money....
You are the problem creator in our church, if you were planning to put this Claver in our church, why didn't you enforce that Clver in the altar in our temporary altar for the last 1 1/2 year time period.
To us, the money is contributed by our parishioners, if our general body decided on certain things they want to do it in our church, no one can stop us including you.
Forget about all this numbers..
Why don't you start taking care of wasteful spending in Chicago Diocese first?
Poster #9,
You are a real stupid or you can't understand English.
I will tell you okay .
Fr. Saji. No money. No Take. Bad Bishop.
Got it ? No.. will tell you again.
Fr. Saji. India. No take money. Bad Bishop. Problem.
I cannot explain any more, my dear friend.
CONFIDENTIAL - YOU *****rd - 12
Twelfth paragraph of your threatening letter:
Emergency parish council meeting:
Your malicious Freezing act of our bank accounts:
Pain... Bishop You are the pain to our Diocese, when people incapable do get positions, these kind of pain to everyone happens......
CONFIDENTIAL - YOU *****rd-- 13
Thirteenth paragraph of your threatening letter:
Wiring --- Bishop you still don't get this...
We have a Parrish council here, all members signed on supporting gift for Fr. Saji and Vattan Thoma and Thorappan Sunny's hatred towards Fr. Saji created all this mess of financial allegation, and you tried to fish in dirty water here.
Do you think each time you go to all parishes for communion and confirmation of our kids, the $1000.00 gift and plane fair you receive has to be raised from the parish separately?
Are you going to refund all these $1000.00 gifts and plane fares you received from all the parishes for the last ten years?
Is it your duty to do these holy sacraments for our kids in all parishes without demanding gift money and plane fare all parishes?.
Dear friends
If anybody is interested pls look at Chaldea church history,they were greedy/position seekers. We can see some difference after when they joined catholic church,again they repeated the story,they left catholic church for sometime&the existing both divisions try to come under our church.At last now they are under Pope.
If you look more details Pope Paul 6th was not happy to let Syromalabar church under Chaldeans.
Powathil&Angadi if you want to quit from CATHOLIC CHURCH do that pls you can take all money you earned.pls leave us
CONFIDENTIAL - YOU *****rd--14
Fourteenth paragraph of your threatening letter:
New account authorized......
April 05, what was the method of delivery of this authorization in writting to Vattan thoma?
Do you really think you can trust this jerk to start an account for our Parrish?
Out of this $1000.00 running expense, how much money did any one use, Vattan thoma's Kikaran term ended on March 30th, and Joseph Mathew is the kikaran from April 1st, and was he aware of this account and available money for expenditure to buy daily activities of our church.
CONFIDENTIAL - YOU *****rd -- 15
Fifteenth paragraph of your threatening letter:
Dear Bishop are u trying to kiss up to all us the parishioners....
But we think this is not enough and it is very late.....
YOU have not done anything for our Parrish so far, you always sided with your kavalam church aggressions against us many times like raffle, boundary issues etc...
By firing a priest like Fr. Saji and trying to put all the blame on him for things happened in our church is not ok..... and to cover it up praising him for raising the $1.3 million in a very short time... we understand where you going with this.....
We are not afraid of you Bishop.
You supported so many people with bad intentions.So you need to be careful,people from many side can attack you like anything.
Dear we are used to the style&trick of people in this country.They would do that because this is their place,but you do this stupidity on what basis? or on what account
You need to be our SHEPARD not ruler.
You did not buy church,you did not contribute anything.
Try to be nice or ready to pack up.
we are so patient to you
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CONFIDENTIAL - YOU *****rd --16
Last two paragraphs of your threatening letter:
Listen up Bishop:
In Coppell Church there is only one view regarding the celebration of Holy Qurbana and Sanctuary arrangements....
We are just happy the way we have our altar and sanctuary right now..
You are not taking middle position here, because here we only have one view, don't play dirty again here of trying to sell your claver here..........
We respect the Syro Malabar Synod decision of asking you Bishop, not to enforce the issue of Claver where Majority of parishioners don't want to see that thing in altar...........
Even in Chanagancaherry, palai, kanjirappally Diocese not all churches have altar and sheela installed so far, so how can you the Bishop of all the Dioceses of Keralites can do such a dirty thing...
If you are sending Fr. Varghese to install anything in the altar in our church, we don't know how that is going to get done?
Dear Bishop
Our church is not a place for different peoples sentiment.
If a psychologist analyse this letter he/she will treat you for multiple personality.I am not making any conclusion about you
Fr.Vinod came here to frighten us.
Soon he realised it did not work,Then he told about hormones in body,listen if our kids do something bad&they tell about hormones we wont let them,I hope you understand!!
We can understand you because you are in middle of idiots
We are righteous people,we dont need to worry about things,we dont have any bad history here to be afraid of anyone so please deal with us carefully
pls post my blog
We obeyed you MANDAN in many areas
Let us publicise this on media
DONT CRY in front of us anymore
ARE you shepard or wolf
Pls post this
Chicago Dioscese is headed by a Napumsakam !, He/She does not have the courage to admit the facts or say truth. SMCC is doomed under his leadership. Hope Bishop Puthoor & Curia acts to prevent these machiavlen tactics and transfer him out of his misery. GOD SAVE SMC in USA from this Nero
THOMMA ASKED IN PARISH COUNCIL TO TRANSFER 25000$ FROM PROVIDENCE BANK ACCOUNT.HE WAS THE KAIKARAN THAT TIME.WHY YOU FROZEN ACCOUNTS BECAUSE OF THAT REASON AFTER ONE MONTH WHEN JOSHY WAS KAIKARAN?WHY BISHOP BLAME FR.SAJI FOR THIS TRANSFER$25000 FROM ONE ACCOUNT TO ANOTHER ACCOUNT?
HOW COME THOMMA INVOLVED IN ALL MATTERS?
WHY THOMMA RETURNED $4000 TO SOMEONE FROM THIS $25000 WITHOUT THE APROVAL OF PARISH COUNCIL?
THIS IS NOT HIS DADY'S PROPERTY.
HOWCOME HE RETURNED BUILDING FUND MONEY TO TOM VARKEY WITHOUT PARISH COUNCIL APROVAL.WHY HE MADE FR.SAJI SIGN IN THAT?
DID BISHOP ASKED HIM TO DO SO?OR THIS GUY GOING TO BLAME FR.SAJI FOR THIS TOO?
HOWCOME THIS GUY INVOLVED IN ALL FRAUD MATTERS?
WHY THOMMA DID NOT TELL ABT BISHOP ASKED HIM TO DO THIS THINGS WHN FR.SAJI ANNOUNCED IT IN CHURCH?
WHAT HE IS HIDING?
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നുണ എല്ലാം വെളുപ്പിക്കം എന്ന് കരുതുന്ന മണ്ടന്‍ മാര്‍ ഉണ്ടെന്ന്നത്
നല്ല കാരിയം.
തോമ ബാങ്ക് അക്കൗണ്ട്‌ തുടങ്ങിയത് അച്ഛന്‍ പറഞ്ഞിട്ടാണെന്ന് പറയാഞ്ഞത് മറവി
മൂലം ആണെന്ന് സമാധാനിക്കാം. എല്ലാ വരവിലും എന്തേലും ഗിഫ്റ്റ് ചോദിച്ചു മേടിച്ചു കൊണ്ടുപോകുന്നത് പള്ളിയുടെ വേറെ കണക്കില്‍ നിന്നയിരികും.അതോ ബിശോപിനന്നെനു പറഞ്ഞു വികാരിമാര്‍ പോക്കറ്റിലിട്ടു ഞങളെ കളിപ്പിക്കുന്നതോ?.
പ്രിയപ്പെട്ട പിതാവേ,
അങ്ങയോടുണ്ടായിരുന്ന സകലം സ്നേഹം കൂടി ഇതോടെ പോയി. കോപ്പേല്‍ പള്ളി യില്‍ അങ്ങ് അവസാനം വന്നപ്പോള്‍ കിട്ടിയ സീകരണം
തന്നത്താന്‍ ചോദിച്ചു മേടിച്ചതന്ല്ലോ?.അതല്പലം കുറഞ്ഞു പോയോ എന്നാണ്
എപ്പോള്‍ പലരുടെയും സംശയം.
അധികാര ആര്‍ത്തി തലക്കു പിടിച്ച കുറെ ആള്‍ക്കാരുടെ ജല്പനം മാത്രമായി
ഇടയ ലേഖനം മാറിയത് അങ്ങയുടെ കുറ്റം ആണെന്ന് പറയുന്നില്ല.സഖറിയ, കടുപ്പന്‍ മുതലായ കള്ളന്മാരുടെ മനിയടിയാണ് സത്യത്തില്‍ നിന്ന് ഒളിച്ചോടാന്‍ അങ്ങയെ പ്രേരിപ്പികുന്നന്തു എന്നറിയാം.
നീതിയോടും സത്യത്തോടും എത്രനാള്‍ മുഖം മറക്കാന്‍ പറ്റും?.
Can you please post the Bishops letter in the blog?.
MOCKING FIRE ANT.....
Bishop has been acting like a "FIRE ANT", biting all coppell parishioners in their butt again and again, and keep mocking them.
Now it seems like, people had it with this ant, and are planning to do something about this "stupid fire ant" to end their misery.
Reply to Post # 1:
Ofcourse Bishop has contributed to coppel church. He collected $120,000 as patrimony from Garland and gave it to us.
I know some of the coppel folks will say.. that is our money given for years to Garland church and we have the right. If you thoughts are like this, then I believe the Bishop has all right to take necessary action as per the head of the diocese what is right for each church/parish.
Lastly, i want to remind all you. Have even once Bishop has asked you to buy the church. We wanted a church and we bought it. Now the interesting point is that when people were working hard to buy the church, there were only few people and everybody needed them. Once the church was brought, the people who never came to church, nor contributed to the building fund, starting appearing in the church and then they started a group for positions in the church.
Here are few of them;
Babu the kaikaran never came to the church or participated in the formation of the church. He started coming to church about a 1 year back and has the following positions, 1. He is the Ward Prayer president. 2. He is a parent representative in the church 3. He is now a Kaikaran and parish committee member. How can 1 community member has so many positions in the church.
Tom F....cis the present Youth coordinator, due to some differences with Achen, He had mailed to achen and the community, that he does not want to be a part of the coppell community and told that he is going back to Garland Church. But when he got a position, he just came back. He is a trouble maker and most of the Youth does not like him in our church. They say he has no knowledge about youth.
George and Jesse parishioners of the church, brainwashed Saji Achen for their own gains.
like wise there are many people who for positions has stood with saji achen and for his agenda.
Dear poster #49
Please understand and stand for the plain reality and truth rather than a spreading rumours.
Every body knows who is playing behind this dirty game and what are their intentions are.It is not good intentions.
You said Bishop arranged $120,000 from Garland.When a new parish is
forming it is customery from the old parish to contribute to the new parish.It is not from the old parishnors pocket.This is only 10% of the amount coppel people contributed to Garland.It is not a gift from Bishop.It shows the good mind of Garland people.Every body here knows who tried to prevent it.
Again you asked whether Bishop asked to buy the Church.Do you forget all the praises Bishop said on Fr.Saji in public for raising the money?.Fr.Saji was a good priest to Bishop untill his request to alter the minutes of the parish council turned down.How a noble priest like Fr.Saji can turn his face aganist truth?.
Now the Bishop is saying he did not fire Fr.Saji, but trying to transfer him.For What ?.
At the same time the Bishop want Fr.saji to go without communicating to any body.He is not a thief to go like that.
Bishop admits that he authorized Thoma to do the transfer of money and at the same time put the blame on Fr.Saji. What is this mean?.
Thoma is returning building fund to people? Can I have my 5.5K returned to me?
Thoma is returning building fund to people? Can I have my 5.5K returned to me? At this point I am glad I contributed only that much to the diocese's palli krushi.
WARD REPRESENTATIVE MEANS PARISH COUNCIL MEMBER AND PARISH COUNCIL MEMBER ONLY WILL BECOME KAIKARAN.
SO ALL THIS POST IS JUST ONE.
BUT SEE THIS
THE POTTAN.
1)BUILDING COMMITTE MEMBER
2)BUILDING COMMITTE SECRETARY
3)CHURCH FORMATION COMMITTE SECRATARY.
4)KAIKARAN(EVERY ONE KNOWS HOW HE BECOME KAIKARAN WHEN POTHUYOGAM WAS NOT ACCEPTHING HIM)
5)72 COMMITTE MEMBER
6)72 COMMITTE SECRETARY
7)WARD REP SECRETARY
8)NOW AT LAST FRAUD COMMITTE CHAIRMAN
AVNAMMEDY...........
NALLA NEETTAMULLA ORU PAZHAM AVANTE VAAYIL SNEHATHODE VECHU KODAKKANDA SAMAYAM KAZHINJU.NANNAYI THINNA ARIYAAANNU KETTITTUNDAVANU. DASH MON....
WHO AUTHORISED THOMMA TO RETURN THAT MONEY?
WAS IT A TRAP FOR SR.SAJI TOO?
IVAN PARAYUM SAJI ACHAN TOLD ME TO DO SO.WAIT FOR THAT.
IF IT IS LIKE THAT THEN WHY HE DID NOT ASK IT IN PARISH COUNCIL?
IVAN KOLLAAM
250 member started a company and appointed a chirman.If that chairman does only bad things to that company then who need to get remeved?
this 250 members who spend money for that company?
or
the chirman who is dividing and shpoiling this company?
If you look at Posting #1 bishappinte Kunjadu has accurately described him ! " Bishop is CORREC"
We all know that he is CORREC Party.
GLAD you realised it NOW.
RETURN OF BUILDING FUND CONTRIBUTION.
I personaly would like to submit a request to return my contribution.Kindly someone post the procedure to get the money reembursed.Reason:I dont see a calm atmosphere tor the spiritual fullfillment
I am willing to submit my claim with all my bio-data.after getting a satisfactory reply(ADVICE)
Can some one please publish the Confidential letter from the Bishop?. Let this outsider from Philadelphia read it. It will be "confidential'
Brothers, it is too late for you guys to understand that some of our Malayali Achans and Bishops have BC 21st century mind forced in to AD21st century Body. Please leave them alone. Let them make some money and buy some Rubber estates in Kerala. They are for progress. (don't ask whose progress?) Why are you guys stoping them from doing what they like? After all they are all representatives of Christ. (Thank God I didn't say they are incarnation of Jesus)YOU
Obey them, don't ask questions.YOU Pay them, don't ask for any accounts.YOU sit down and silently listen to what they say. You give them, don't expect any thing back. You will be rewarded by God.
Just follow these Do's and Don'ts.
Then they are happy , If they are happy, you should be happy too. ok?
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In zero Malabar Private limted Co.USA, The Chairman stays, the share holders must go. Chairman is the company here. You didn't know that?
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Dear #50.
Let me say some thing.I am sying this only because you said The amount Garland church gave To Coppell church ($ 120,000) is not from Garland members Pocket.Let me tell you my friend. THAT IS FROM OUR POCKET. I gave($500.00) towards that fund. Like me lot of people contributed.
I can't blame the people asking for the money back from Coppell church building fund, because We do not see any peaceful atmosphere there.If you don't stop this more people will ask for the refund.STOP GUNDAAYISM,PRAY AND LOVE EACH OTHER....
Reply to post #30
Patrimony is based on the asset of the parent church, and the contribution it has received from the new church member's all these past time.
Nobody asked personal contribution of $500.00 from parishioners of Garland church, except some of your Building committee members and your vicar.
This shows what a liability to our Diocese the Bishop is, it is his duty to collect the money from the parent church and deliver it to the new church.
One of the duties as a Bishop, (Patrimony issues) which like most duties he is conveniently forgetting for his friendships in Kavalam church.
By the way how much did you contribute to Garland Church so far in your life altogether.....
Reply to #49
A V T
Everyone here know who you are.If you want to be the kaikkaran you can ask Babuchettan directly.
We all know you are playing for a post in church.Is there anyone who talk you in the church?
You alone can buy a church&maintain it,but try to collect your family members to be under you.Dont design coppel church for you
How much respect this guy Commands ????
After Bishop send that that letter/ Kalla Lekhanam,the sunday collection what we got in Coppell church on 05/02/10 is just $280. Far Cry from several 1000's during Fr. Saji, s tenure. Hoope Angady realizes how Powerless he is !! and Kakkanadu recognize how little influence this guy has !! Get him a
ONE WAY TICKET to Nedumbasseri.
You got message?This letter made a negative impact. THE LETTER WITH FULL OF LIES.WE WONT BUY THAT LETTER.YOU CAN BET FOR IT.WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVE THAT IT IS FULL OF LIES.AND WE WILL DO IT.NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
True position with Gift Tax
Do not make homily in the mass to that of home – lies or misinformation to the laity.
Fr. Vinod is telling people about IRS problem on the gift to Fr.Saji.
As every body knows gift to Fr. Saji was only $10K and the remainder $5K is returning his donation to the church. Here is the true position with Gift Tax.
Gift Tax
The gift tax applies to transfers by gift of property. The general rule is that any gift is a taxable gift. However, there are many exceptions to this rule.
Generally, the following gifts are not taxable gifts:
Gifts, excluding gifts of future interests, that are not more than the annual exclusion for the calendar year,
Tuition or medical expenses you pay directly to a medical or educational institution for someone,
Gifts to your spouse,
Gifts to a political organization for its use, and
Gifts to charities.
Annual exclusion. A separate annual exclusion applies to each person to whom you make a gift. The gift tax annual exclusion is subject to cost-of-living increases.
Gift Tax Annual Exclusion
Year(s)
Annual Exclusion
1998 – 2001
$10,000
2002 – 2005
$11,000
2006 – 2008
$12,000
2009
$13,000
For 2009, you generally can give a gift valued at up to $13,000 each, to any number of people, and none of the gifts will be taxable.
Since our gift to Fr. Saji is only $10K, there will not be any tax liability
Dear Poster #49,
You, yourself mentioned that "He started coming to church about a 1 year back and has the following positions,". That is true.
But you forgot one thing not only he but 80% of the people started coming to church only 1 year back.Did you know why ?
That's the time people got to know Fr.Saji. When people realized he is a good priest and we can rely on him.They started coming to church. They thought under him they can spiritually grow.
Did you notice people are not coming when Fr. Saji is gone.Yes I noticed that you are coming to church and showing off for past 3 weeks .So that you can tell in future that " nobody was there for 3 weeks I was the only one . All bla bla "
Why are you crying like a small child "Babu the kaikaran never came. even then he got position .."
Makane . you should not seek for position. Position should seek you . Can you ever imagine getting a position with out the help of Bishop?
Then you said "George and Jesse parishioners of the church, brainwashed Saji Achen for their own gains." You must be wondering "I tried to brainwash Saji achen.It was not a success. How come they were able to do that ?"
Ente Makane ..Keep bringing the names of the people who brainwashed Saji Achen. By that, others will really understand how crooked you are.
If you are trying to crucify the above people, no wonder what all you must have done to Fr. Saji .
What do you think ? "There was only 5 to 10 names keep coming in this blog. Let me bring some more.".
Makane " nee Anengil" reply to this post .
Since Coppell is getting audited isn't it only right for Chicago Diocese to get audited. We the followers have the right to know where our pledge money is going.
Poor #60. Why in the world did you pay 500.00 to Zero church. You must me out of your mind.
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Poster #67,
Because of all the financial misappropriations, nobody want to take up the responsibility of auditing Chicago diocese.
Thanks so much for poster#66
I started writing the reply but could not complete it
this person dont have any ability,just know to play from behind
whatever happened. doesnt affect him I feel so shameful about his stand.
He was just using people to play.To make it clear his bad intentions to our church was obvious so he was not able to do anything,just watch things happen.If you cannot stand for right be a rep of diocese,we need someone like you for that
These people with cataract need to stay back if he need to collect money to Chicago do that
Pls for heaven sake dont make anymore foolish plans or feed Regi's brain with wrong plans,we need some peace in our church.
There are smart boys in our church
If you go through all the comments we can understand that some people have some gredge towards some, they are using this blog as a media to express it, those who have some work, please do not waste your time reading the foolish comments and counter arguments. Those who want to go Syro Malabar church go to that church, others remain at home or go to some other church where their ideology fit. Anyhow mind "the moon will not fall down if some dogs rather mad dogs bark at".
"the moon will not fall down if some dogs rather mad dogs"
Ninte ammede dog.............. nirthada patti thayoli.....
what the fucks you think about this blog?you read it and you write a comment and you are telling others not to waste time reading this blog.
Randu kaalilum manthulla nee ano oru kalil manthullavane manthaa ennu vilikyunne?
Excellent comment #72, some people ask for comments like this. They are the kind of idiots who are "Chundanga koduthu vazhuthinaga vangum"
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ചിലപ്പോഴൊക്കെ കള്ളന്മാരും സത്യം പറയും എന്നതിന് തെളിവാണ് " ബിഷപ്പ് ഈസ്‌ അബ്സലുട്ളി കറക്ക്" എന്ന് എഴുതിയ കുഞ്ഞാട്
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