By: Dr. Koenraad Elst
"Kerala Christians live in a 17th century bubble, as if they are too puerile to stand in the daylight of solid historical fact. They remain in a twilight of legend and lies, at the command of ambitious "medieval" bishops who mislead them with the St. Thomas in India fable for purely selfish reasons."
A component of platitudinous speeches by secularist politicians is that “Christianity was brought to India by the apostle Thomas in the 1st century AD, even before it was brought to Europe”. The intended thrust of this claim is that, unlike Hinduism which was imposed by the “Aryan invaders”, Christianity is somehow an Indian religion, even though it is expressly stated that it “was brought to India” from outside. As a matter of detail, St. Paul reported on Christian communities living in Greece, Rome and Spain in the 40s AD, while St. Thomas even according to his followers only came to India in 52 AD, so by all accounts, Christianity still reached Europe before India[1].
At any rate, its origins lay in West Asia, outside India. But this geographical primacy is not the main issue here. More importantly, there is nothing factual, nor secular, about the claim that Thomas ever came to India.This claim is a stark instance of what secularists would denounce in other cases as a “myth”. By this, I don’t mean that it was concocted in a backroom conspiracy, then propagated by obliging mercenary scribes (the way many Hindus imagine the colonial origins of the “Aryan invasion myth” came into being). It came about in a fairly innocent manner, through a misunderstanding, a misreading of an apocryphal text, the miracle-laden hagiography Acts of Thomas. This is not the place to discuss the unflattering picture painted of Thomas in his own hagiography, which credits him with many anti-social acts. The point for now is that the text never mentions nor describes the subcontinent but merely has the apostle go from Palestine eastwards to a desert-like country where people are “Mazdei” [Zoroastrian] and have Persian names.
This is definitely not lush and green Kerala. Not only is there no independent record of Thomas ever coming near India, but the only source claimed for this story, doesn’t even make this claim either.
However, we know of a Thomas of Cana who led a group of Christian refugees from Iran in the 4th century, when the Christianization of the Roman empire caused the Iranians to see their Syriac-speaking Christian minority as a Roman fifth column. The name “Thomas Christians” may originally have referred to this 4th-century leader. Then again, those refugees may also have been “Thomas Christians” before their migration to India in the sense that their Christian community had been founded in Iran [viz. Church of Fars] by the apostle Thomas. That he lived and worked in some Iranian region is attested and likely, but in no case did he ever settle in India.
The Church Fathers Clement of Alexandra, Origen and Eusebius confirm explicitly that he settled in “Parthia”, a part of the Iranian world. From the 3rd century, we do note an increasing tendency among Christian authors to locate him in a place labeled "India", as does the Acts of Thomas. But it must be borne in mind that this term was very vague, designating the whole region extending from Iran eastwards.
Remember that when Columbus had landed in America, which he thought was East Asia, he labeled the indigenous people “Indians”, meaning “Asians”. Afghanistan is one area that was Iranian-speaking and predominantly Mazdean [Zoroastrian] but often considered part of “India”. Moreover, in some periods of history it was even politically united with parts of “India” in the narrow sense. So, Afghanistan may well be the “Western India” where Pope Benedict placed St.Thomas in his controversial speech in September 2006, to the dismay of the South Indian bishops.
While the belief that Thomas settled in South India came about as an honest mistake, the claim that he was martyred by Brahmins was always a deliberate lie, playing upon a possible confusion between the consonants of the expression “be ruhme”, meaning “with a spear”, and those of “Brahma” (Semitic alphabets usually don’t specify vowels). That was the gratitude Hindus received in return for extending their hospitality to the Christian refugees: being blackened as the murderers of the refugees’ own hero. If the Indian bishops have any honour, they will themselves remove this false allegation from their discourse and their monuments, including the cathedral in Chennai built at the site of Thomas’s purported martyrdom (actually the site of a Shiva temple). Indeed, they will issue a historic declaration expressing their indebtedness to Hindu hospitality and pluralism and pledging to renounce their anti-Hindu animus.
Secularists keep on reminding us that there is no archaeological evidence for Rama’s travels, and from this they deduce the non sequitur that Rama never existed, indeed that “Rama’s story is only a myth”. But in Rama’s case, we at least do have a literary testimony, the Ramayana, which in the absence of material evidence may or may not be truthful, while in the case of Thomas’s alleged arrival in India, we don’t even have a literary account. The text cited in the story’s favour doesn’t even have him come to a region identifiable as South India. That is why Christian scholars outside India have no problem abandoning the myth of Thomas’s landing in Kerala and of his martyrdom in Tamil Nadu. I studied at the Catholic University of Louvain, and our Jesuit professor of religious history taught us that there is no data that could dignify the Thomas legend with the status of history.
This eliminates the last excuse the secularists might offer for repeating the Thomas legend, viz. that the historical truth would hurt the feelings of the Christian minority. It is clear enough that many Christians including the Pope have long given up the belief in Thomas’s Indian exploits, or (like the Church Fathers mentioned above) never believed in them in the first place. In contrast with European Christians today, Indian Christians live in a 17th century bubble, as if they are too puerile to stand in the daylight of solid historical fact. They remain in a twilight of legend and lies, at the command of ambitious "medieval" bishops who mislead them with the St. Thomas in India fable for purely selfish reasons.
FOOTNOTE:
1. Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru provides an excellent example of how some innocents abroad lap up lies sold by powerful organizations. "You may be surprised to learn," he wrote his daughter, Indira, on April 12, 1932, "that Christianity came to India long before it went to England or Western Europe, and when even in Rome it was a despised and proscribed sect. Within a hundred years or so of the death of Jesus, Christian missionaries came to South India by sea.... They converted a large number of people." (Glimpses of World History, OUP reprint, fourth impression, 1987, quoted by Sita Ram Goel in History of Hindu-Christian Encounters: AD 304 to 1996, Second Revised Edition, Voice of India, New Delhi, 1996.)
18 comments:
If you think that this corrupted church and its leaders can address the issues we face here as immigrants, I have no word for you. Wake up and see America as it is. Not based on what you are. This is a great place to live and work and owe something to it.Don't you?
Even quite recently our current Pope was asked a question by a media as to the St.Thomas Apostel's visit to India.
He said he does not believe that St.Thomas ever visited India.
This is the fact.Rome exactly knows it but is keeping it very secret to protect some interests for the reasons known only to them.
I firmly believe that he never came to India.We were believed to believe that he was buried in Mylapore.However any historian can find out that his last days were spent in Messapotomia and was laid to rest there.
Where are our so called Powethil and others who stand for this cross?We have been fooled by these people and history is twisted by some christian leaders in the past to have some advantage for them.
We have been fooled by many to believe that St.Thomas came to India.
We have nothing to prove otherwise except few Persian crosses found in different places of Kerala.
No literature trail and nothing.This is our so called tradition!!!
Open your eyes and at least study the facts.There is nothing wrong in learning the history .Never listen to the lies perpetuated in our church.
KADUPPAN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR MAJOR PROBLEMS HERE IN AMERICA.WE WILL BE FINE IF HE LEAVES THIS COUNTRY.
HOW COULD HE LEAVE BECAUSE HIS INTENTION IS TO BECOME CITIZEN.THIS IS OUR PITY.
കടുപ്പനെ പോലെയുള്ള കള്ള പുരോഹിതന്മാര് ആണ് നമ്മളെ സേവിക്കാന് വന്നിരിക്കുന്നത്!
ഇവന്റെ വരവിന്റെ ഉദ്ദേസിയം നമ്മുക്ക് അറിയാം !വീടും വീട്ടുകാരെയും കര കയറ്റി വീടിഇല് ആണ് പ്രധാന അജണ്ട !
നിങ്ങള് ബലി അര്പിക്കുമ്പോള് ആരോടെങ്കിലും വെറുപ്പോ വിദുഎശമൊ ഉണ്ടെങ്കില് ക്ഷമിച്ചിട്ടു വന്നു ബലി അര്പിക്കാനാണ് ദെയിവം പറഞ്ഞിരിക്കുന്നത് .
കടുപ്പാ താങ്കള്ക്കു ഈ പറഞ്ഞതിന്റെ പൊരുള് മനസ്സില് ആയോ ?
അറിഞ്ഞിട്ടും ഇല്ല എന്ന് നടിക്കുകയാന്നോ?
ഞാന് ഈ വരികള് കുറിക്കുന്ന സമത്തും തന്റെ ശത്രു ആയി കരുതുന്ന സജിഅച്ചനുമായി രംമിയത പെട്ടിട്ടില്ല .ഈ കള്ളന് അച്ഛന്റെ കള്ളത്തരം എല്ലാവര്ക്കും അറിയാം. ഈ പുരോഹിതന്റെ ജന്മം വെറും പാഴാണ് !
അതുപോലെയുള്ള കളികളും വയെലതാരവും ആണ് കയ്യിലിരുപ്പു. ദെയിവം പോലും പൊറുക്കാത്ത അപരാതങ്ങള് ആണ് ഈ പുരോഹിതന് കാണിച്ചു കൂടിയിരിക്കുന്നത് !ഇത് സത്തിയം !സത്തിയം! സത്തിയം !
കടുപ്പനെ നാട് കടത്തുക !എന്നാല് ഈ സഭ രക്ഷ പെടും.തീര്ച്ച !
Kaduppan is very cruel man.He is not a priest.He is devil.Real devil.
He cannot call Fr.Saji and just tell him sorry.Let him do in the name of God.
We all know he will never do because he has no grace from God.He does not require any respect from us.Stones should be thrown at him where ever he goes.He is a disgrace to us.Real disgrace!
കടുപ്പാ ഇത്ര നീചവും ക്രൂരവും ബാലിസവും ആയി തന്റെ സഹ പുരോഹിതനോട് പെരുമാറുന്ന തന്നെ ഞങ്ങള് എന്ത് വിളിക്കണം !
പട്ടി ,എചിലപ്പട്ടി എന്ന് വിളിച്ചോട്ടെ!
താങ്കളോട് ഈ question ചോദിക്കുവാന് കാരണം തൂക്കാന് കൊണ്ടുപോകുന്നവനൂട് ഒരു കരുണ ആരച്ച്ഹാര് കാണിക്കാറുണ്ട് മാനിയമയി പെരുമാരാര് ഉണ്ട് .
ഈ മാനിയത ഞങ്ങളുടെ എല്ലംമായ പ്രിയപെട്ടവാന് ആയ സജി അച്ഛനോട് കാണിച്ചില്ല താങ്കള് .കടുപ്പ കുഅടുപ്പിലെ മറ്റവന് !താങ്കള് ഒരു നീചന് തന്നെ ആണ് !CRUEL MAN!
This whole money making based on the wrong history and stupid traditions need to stop NOW, Get a job you man who claims to be the leader of catholics from kerala
We have heard in homilies so many times on how important our ego is! Why?
Does this Dr. Koenraad Elst think the people of India speak Indian?
എന്തിനാണ് കടുപ്പന് തിരുമേനിയെ കുറ്റം പറയുന്നത് , അങ്ങേരെ തിരുമേനിക്കടുതുവരെ വളരാന് അനുവതിച്ച നമ്മളാണ് യെതാര്ഥത്തില് മണ്ടന്മാര് . കള്ളന്റെ കൈയില് താക്കോല് സൂഷിക്കുവാന് കൊടുത്തിട്ട് വായുംപൊളിച് തെക്ക് വടക്ക് നടന്നപ്പോള് ഓര്ക്കണമായിരുന്നു .ഈ കള്ളപാതിരി നമുക്ക് പാരയാണെന്ന് ഇപ്പോളെന്ക്കിലും മനസിലാക്കിയല്ലോ . ആശുപത്രിയില് രാ പകിലില്ലാതെ രോഹികളുടെ തീട്ടവും മൂത്രവും എടുത്തും എയിഡ്സ് രോഹികളുടെ ബ്ലെടും തൊടച് കഷ്ട്ടപെട്ടു ഒണ്ടാക്കുന്ന പണം കൊടുത്ത് വാങ്ങിയ നമ്മുടെപള്ളി തോട്ടിലെ വേലി സക്കറിയ പോലുള്ളവന്റെ കൈയില് കൊടുത്ത് , അവന്റെയും മര്ദനം എക്കേണ്ട സ്ഥിദിയാണ് നമ്മുടെ പാവം പെണ്ണുങ്ങള്ക്ക് . പോരാഞ്ഞിട്ട് കണക്കും തുമ്പും ഇല്ലാതെ പണംകട്ടു ഇവന്റെയൊക്കെ അച്ചിക്കും അപ്പനും നാട്ട്ല് മണിമ്മന്നിരങ്ങള് ഒണ്ടാക്കി കൊടുക്കുന്നു . പള്ളിയിലെ പണം ഇവന്റെയൊക്കെ അച്ചിയുടെ മറ്റെടെത്ത് കൊണ്ടുപോകാനുള്ളതല്ല , മറിച്ചു പള്ളിയുടെ ആവിശതിനു മാത്രംമുള്ളതാണ് . ഇവനെയൊക്കെ തീറ്റി പോറ്റാമെന്നു ഇടവകജെനങ്ങള് ആര്ക്കും വാക്ക് കൊടുത്തിട്ടില്ല . ഒരുവഴിലൂടെ ശബളം , മറ്റൊരുവഴിയിലുടെ കിംബളം . ജോലി ചെയ്യുന്നതിനു ശംബളം കിട്ടും , അതുകൊണ്ട് താമസം , ഭക്ഷണം , വസ്ത്രം സൊന്തം ചിലവില് നടക്കെട്ടെ .മാസംതോറും നാട്ടിലോട്ടു കെട്ടിയെടുക്കാന് ഇവന്റെ ആരെങ്കിലും ചാകാന് കെടപ്പൊണ്ടോ . അഞ്ചു വര്ഷംമായ് ഞാനും എന്റെ കുടുംബവും നാട്ടില് പോയിട്ട് . അങ്ങനെയൊക്കെ മിച്ചം വച്ചാണ് പള്ളിവാങ്ങനും എവറെയൊക്കെ പതിനാര് അടിയന്ദ്രത്തിന് ചോദിക്കുമ്പോള് ചോദിക്കുമ്പോള് എടുത്ത്കൊടുക്കുന്നത്. അതുകൊണ്ട് ഇനി കിംബളം വേണ്ടാ .
അഞ്ചു വര്ഷംമായ് ഞാനും എന്റെ കുടുംബവും നാട്ടില് പോയിട്ട് . അങ്ങനെയൊക്കെ മിച്ചം വച്ചാണ് പള്ളിവാങ്ങനും എവറെയൊക്കെ പതിനാര് അടിയന്ദ്രത്തിന് ചോദിക്കുമ്പോള് ചോദിക്കുമ്പോള് എടുത്ത്കൊടുക്കുന്നത്. അതുകൊണ്ട് ഇനി കിംബളം വേണ്ടാ .
You told the real truths.Kaduppan has gone lot of time to India recently.What about us?We give 5 to 10 k and even more to church and we could have done the same .It is a real pity!
dear FELLOW PARISHNERS,
AS OUR HISTORY GOES BACK TO A SHAKY MYTHS,WHY DON'T WE START LOOKING BACK TO ALL KINDS OF PROS AND CONS.AS THE SMOKE OF CONFUSION SPREADS,LET US ALL TRY TO FIND THE TRUTH INSTEAD OF BLESSING AND BUILDING NEW CHURCHES WITH ST. THOMAS WITH IT.
AS THE PREVIOUS COMMEND GOES,DON'T PAY HUGE AMOUNT TO BUY/BUILD NEW CHURCHES FOR FOW CROOKS TO BRAIN WASH YOU AND LOOT ALL YOUR HEALTH,WEALTH AND YOUR DREAMS OF YOUR NEAR AND DEAR ONES IN INDIA.
ASK THESE FALLS ORATORS TO PACK THE ST.THOMAS BUSINESS AND LEAVE THE COUNTRY.WE ALL CAN TAKE VACATIONS,GO TO INDIA AND LIVE A DECENT LIFE WITHOUT THESE OUTSIDE PRESSURES.GO TO NEARBY LATIN CHUCH.GET A MEMBERSHIP,PAY SOMETHING(much less than what you are asked here) AND JOIN IN ONE OR TWO OF THE MINISTERIES.YOU ALL WILL HAVE PEACE OF MIND AND LOT OF TIME FOR ALL YOUR NEEDS ,WHICH YOU ONLY CAN/HAVE TO DO
THINK FOLKS AND MAKE UP YOUR MIND.GOOD LUCK FOLKS!!!!!
MEANTIME LET US WAIT FOR AN AUTHORITATIVE CONCLUTION ON THIS ISSUE OF KODUNGALLOOR,SEVEN CHURCHES,MYLAPORE,PARANKI MALA ETC. AND ABOVE ALL HOW MANY OF US ARE BAPTISED BY ST.THOMAS,FROM THE HIGH CASTE BRAHMINS!!!!!
Why people are fearful of these evil spirits living among us?. We need a revolution here.
Why are you all blaming only Kaduppan? How about other priests? Show me one priest here who is genuine. Show me one priest who is here to serve; they are here to SERVE THEMSELVES...we are a bunch of fools to support them.
Most of the 0-malabar priests here have US citizenship...for what?
Think...think...
Fr. Thundan went to Kerala in July, now he is in Kerala again for a wedding. Couldn't he combine the two and go only once????
Fr. Thundan's Kerala visit is a blessing for Fr. Sasseril...because he is cashing in...house warming...b'days...CAR blessings...etc.
Cheap 0-priests and of course bishop
O-Malabar priest thinks that America is a bad place to raise children? They say our country has no values and traditions better than the nasty culture they are spreading? Oxymoron!
Don't you have educated mind in your community who can speak?
YOU KIDDING!!!????
YOU ARE(YOUR FOREFATHERS) ARE BAPTISED FROM HIGH, HIGH CASTE BRAHMINS.YOU ALL TALKED THAT YOU WERE FROM ONE OF THESE GROUP!!
YOU ALL WERE THINKING THAT ALL OTHERS LIKE ME, WERE OF LOW CASTE LIKE,PARAYAN,THERIAN PARIYAN AND MAYYIRAN GROUPS.EXPLAIN THE REALITY.
DID ST. THOMAS COME TO INDIA. DID HE BAPTISE YOUR GREAT GREAT GRAND PAAAASS AND WERE THEY ALL BRAHMINS?????????
please dig through the facts and give us,the hard working ZERO ZERO MALA PARIANS AN ANSWER before you consecrate another church and go forward with another "p i r i v u."
LET ME KNOW ALL THE "KOOSADAS" I HAD SO FAR ARE VALID???????
is it possible for me receive all "KOODASAS" TOGETHER WHEN I GO TO CHUCH NEXT TIME.???????
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