Dominic Joseph
(A high school student and member of Garland Syro-Malabar parish)
By now, it isn’t news that we’re planning on building a new church for the St. Thomas Catholic community, and it certainly isn’t news that plans for the cross have been the subject of much dispute.
In the course of traditional church politics, it is only natural that certain issues would require the arbitration of a higher power over two disagreeing factions in order to settle the matter in question. Unfortunately, the bishop has already made his mind about the matter at hand, and subsequently, the vast majority of the church is being forced to endure the Mar Thoma cross. In a case where two parts of a denomination that preaches its universality and unity choose to war against each other, we must remember that “if a house is divided against itself, it cannot stand” (Mk. 3:25), but when the authority of the bishop shows a clearly biased nature, we must take into account the will of the community. And let us remember that the youth of St. Thomas is as equally part of the community as any adult.
By now, it isn’t news that we’re planning on building a new church for the St. Thomas Catholic community, and it certainly isn’t news that plans for the cross have been the subject of much dispute.
In the course of traditional church politics, it is only natural that certain issues would require the arbitration of a higher power over two disagreeing factions in order to settle the matter in question. Unfortunately, the bishop has already made his mind about the matter at hand, and subsequently, the vast majority of the church is being forced to endure the Mar Thoma cross. In a case where two parts of a denomination that preaches its universality and unity choose to war against each other, we must remember that “if a house is divided against itself, it cannot stand” (Mk. 3:25), but when the authority of the bishop shows a clearly biased nature, we must take into account the will of the community. And let us remember that the youth of St. Thomas is as equally part of the community as any adult.
I know the church general body is usually subject to the will of adult members of the church, and I realize that the voice of a child is not exactly customary in a time of argument. In order to validate my opinions, however, it is necessary to remind the general body of the place of children in the community. In the Old Testament, particularly during the Passover (Ex. 12:26) and during the formation and renewal of God’s covenant with the Israelites (Dt. 29:11 and Jos. 8:35), children take equal place in these rituals as the rest of the adult community. Also, let us remember that our Lord values and welcomes the youth of the community, for he explicitly commands, “Let the children come to me” (Mt. 19:14). As a youth and a member of the St. Thomas the Apostle community, I support the placement of the Crucifix –and the Crucifix alone – in the new church building, and I greatly abhor the usage of the curtain to veil the Crucifix.
The bishop and his band of misled disciples argue that the Mar Thoma cross is a symbol of Christ’s resurrection and victory over sin. Let me be the first to say that, looking at this monstrosity as any spectator would, there is absolutely no reference, artistic allegory, or symbolism of any type of resurrection. It is simply a cross with an upside-down dove at the top and what appears to be a lotus at the bottom. The message of Christ’s resurrection can only be found in the twisted interpretations of its biased followers.
For the sake of argument, however, let us pretend that the Mar Thoma cross bears some sort of semblance that depicts Christ’s resurrection. Even with the meaning of the resurrection, the Mar Thoma cross is still meaningless and unnecessary to our community. As members of the Catholic Church, we “proclaim Christ crucified” (1 Cor. 1:23) because “by [Christ’s] death, he might break the power of him who holds the power of death” (Heb. 2:14). If we, as Catholics, are called to preach the death of Christ, what better image is there to exhibit than the Crucifix, which explicitly depicts the ultimate sacrifice that our Savior made by His death? It certainly is not the Mar Thoma cross, the depiction of nothing but a number of perverse understandings. Moreover, our Crucifix is more than just a proclamation, but rather, “to us who are being saved, it is the very power of God, Himself” (1 Cor. 1:18). Our Crucifix, as biblically supported, is the power of God and the proclamation that we, as Catholics, should pledge ourselves to preaching. The Mar Thoma cross is simply a piece of art that is not even a pleasure to look at. I think from here, it is only a matter of common sense to know which cross is the clear victor.
Now, there are those among the bishop’s factions that call for a compromise; they wish for the placement of both the Mar Thoma AND the Crucifix. To this, I only state my utter disapproval. Why should the Mar Thoma Cross be placed in the church at all? The Apostle Paul “resolved to know nothing… except Jesus Christ, and him crucified” (1 Cor. 2:2), and like Paul, we should be wise enough to realize that the Crucifix is ALL that we need in our place of worship. We are further taught to “never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified” (Gal. 6:14). We are to rally behind the Crucifix alone in our faith, for nowhere in the Bible does it permit the placement of a meaningless imitation in the place of worship. According to the teachings of Biblical epistles, the Crucifix alone is more than sufficient for our faith. The Mar Thoma Cross, however, is only useful for collecting dust.
Then, of course, there is the issue of the curtain. One of the greatest merits of the Christian faith that separates it from other religions is that, unlike the gods of other people, our God revealed Himself to us by coming to Earth and teaching us about the Father, Himself. While the followers of Islam and Hinduism pray to deities that hide in the heavens, Christians can boast that they have had the chance to experience the revelation of their God through the Son that was sent to earth, according to John 1:18, which states that “the begotten Son, who is God and is at the Father’s side, has revealed God the Father”. If we have been given the privilege of having our Father revealed to us, is it really necessary to veil Him once more with a physical curtain? At the death of Christ, “the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom” (Mt. 27:51), making the situation as literal as it could possibly be. The temple, which housed the Lord, employed the use of a curtain to separate the Jews from God. Through the death of Jesus, however, the Lord has been revealed to us and the need for a physical separation has been rendered obsolete. By choosing to use a curtain in our church and separate ourselves from the Lord that saved us, we are losing one of the greatest things that make our faith unique. By hiding God from the people, we are no better than the Jews and Muslims that have not had the opportunity to even know their gods.
Now, there are those among the bishop’s factions that call for a compromise; they wish for the placement of both the Mar Thoma AND the Crucifix. To this, I only state my utter disapproval. Why should the Mar Thoma Cross be placed in the church at all? The Apostle Paul “resolved to know nothing… except Jesus Christ, and him crucified” (1 Cor. 2:2), and like Paul, we should be wise enough to realize that the Crucifix is ALL that we need in our place of worship. We are further taught to “never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified” (Gal. 6:14). We are to rally behind the Crucifix alone in our faith, for nowhere in the Bible does it permit the placement of a meaningless imitation in the place of worship. According to the teachings of Biblical epistles, the Crucifix alone is more than sufficient for our faith. The Mar Thoma Cross, however, is only useful for collecting dust.
Then, of course, there is the issue of the curtain. One of the greatest merits of the Christian faith that separates it from other religions is that, unlike the gods of other people, our God revealed Himself to us by coming to Earth and teaching us about the Father, Himself. While the followers of Islam and Hinduism pray to deities that hide in the heavens, Christians can boast that they have had the chance to experience the revelation of their God through the Son that was sent to earth, according to John 1:18, which states that “the begotten Son, who is God and is at the Father’s side, has revealed God the Father”. If we have been given the privilege of having our Father revealed to us, is it really necessary to veil Him once more with a physical curtain? At the death of Christ, “the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom” (Mt. 27:51), making the situation as literal as it could possibly be. The temple, which housed the Lord, employed the use of a curtain to separate the Jews from God. Through the death of Jesus, however, the Lord has been revealed to us and the need for a physical separation has been rendered obsolete. By choosing to use a curtain in our church and separate ourselves from the Lord that saved us, we are losing one of the greatest things that make our faith unique. By hiding God from the people, we are no better than the Jews and Muslims that have not had the opportunity to even know their gods.
If the supporters of the Mar Thoma Cross choose to refute the above arguments for the Crucifix, the very best I can do is to simply snicker at their strange sense of humor inherent in their meaningless and illogical claims for support of the Mar Thoma Cross.
35 comments:
very true
thank you Dominic
You are born to real catholic parents who consider Jesus as their only God.
You make your parents proud for standing for your strong faith Catholic church and it's traditions.
Once again thank you and make people understand what is real catholic faith.
Thanks again and may God bless you and your family.
Playing politics in our church, yes that is what is happening again here
How can a priest or bishop ask church congregation if they want Crucifix in the altar?
Come on, we are Catholics and what a silly question is this?
The only relevant question a priest or Bishop can ask is if anyone has objection to the installation of marthoma cross inside the church in altar.
That is it, no politics inside Catholic church, the place of Crucfix in the center of the altar is a reality and no changes to that.
But if anyone has objection to the maarthoma cross in the church altar then it can not be installed at all.
clear now-- no questions about the crucifix, it is part of catholic church altar, but only question that can be raised is whether anyone objects to Persian claver maarthoma cross.
even the kid start noticing the bull crap they trying to push it down our throat. Everyone need to wake up and stop our famous home wrecker Bishop. He need to go back to india.
Dominic,
It is unbelievable you chose this medium to express your opinions. I am glad you speak it out, but the place you published it was the worst choice. Don't you feel embarrassed to write at such a disgusting place? This is the worst site and how a charming youth like you could contribute to such a site ?
Every time I read this site, I puked. Even people who support crucifix and crave to see that in the altar, told they feel like throwing up, reading this website. This is the place where most defamatory articles and comments appear. Just a place for people to vent out their jealousy and personal grudges. you set such a bad example by writing at a derogatory place like this, Dominic.
I am not against your opinions. In fact I support your thoughts and appreciate you opened up your mind. But wrong place boy. You were considered as one of the role models in our parish, but you disappointed me, Dominic.
I would have appreciated if you published this in your FB page or thru any other medium. I thought you had better ethics and values in your life. Do you think anyone with integrity and any respect for their fellow human beings, could write at such a place ?
quite disappointed, Dominic. Sorry to say this.
In response to the above comment:
There's no need to apologize for saying something. Being an outspoken opinionist requires 1) finding an audience that will listen and 2) not minding the potential of negative responses. Posting this on my Facebook would have been as practical as preaching music theory to a crowd of deaf people - they would simply not be interested because it does not apply to them. Most of my Facebook friends aren't affected by this dispute, and the few that are would not be moved enough to spread the word. Considering how many Syro-Malabarians are drawn to this blog, doesn't it seem like the most sensible way to catch attention? The other posts on this blog mean nothing to me; I'm simply a boy trying to speak his mind in an area where people will gladly listen.
Secondly, if you agree with what I have to say, the medium should not reflect on the message at all. Finding a copy of The Bible in a dumpster doesn't change the Word of God inside, and likewise, neither does publishing an article on a website that seems to follow a certain trend in its material.
And lastly, you may want to consult a physician about your puking problem. In a typical medical diagnosis, I wouldn't imagine "exposure to a website" to be found in the list of causes. May I suggest Pepto-Bismol?
Hello Mr. justmythoughts priest
Why are coming to this disgusting place to read this?
If you are not a priest then
you are either
Saali achan or jil ka son or aanjili
In any case you are backbone missing jerk, bastard
Hello justmythoughts
Where should Dominic public his comments?Does your wife owm some place his comments?Can he write there and publish?Please let him know....
This is a response to “Just my thoughts”
Did you have any sense about what you wrote? You are saying you feel to throw up every time you come to this site. Are you addicted to throwing up that you visit this site that often? You feel this is a place all jealous people vent and where everybody post derogatory remarks. Did you know that you became one of them by visiting this site and posting your commend. Dear friend I am asking one more time, if you are sickened by this site that bad, why do you visit this site that often? That means you are addicted to being sickened. Let me tell you sir you need serious psychological attention immediately. Did you read the response from the young boy who authored the article. You must surely be ashamed of posting such a demeaning commend against a young boy who had the guts to stand up from the rest and speak out his mind. Irrespective of the matter it contains you are chopping his head off. Do you have a bit of shame to do this kind of abortive action. If you are so sickened by this site please for heavens sake keep away from this site and if you are the so called CCD coordinator” Mr. Anjilivelil”, for the betterment of the young and developing minds of our community you must step down immediately. The young boy had the courage to publish his name and identity and you the fearful mouse accuse him being anonymous. What a shame!
A REPLY TO ,"just my thought".....
I am glad you consider this blog for communication even when you dislike it.Because you very well understand that this blog has become the fastest growing medium for communication among SYROMALABAR CATHOLICS OF THE WORLD.
BLOG is just a medium for people to independently voice their opinion. Anybody can make their opinion on this blog regardless of their allegiance to either CROSSES.The idea is to voice and discuss without being personal.
Blog's idea is to get the PULSE OF THE PEOPLE, to have AN OPEN DISCUSSION.
BLOG HELPS US INFORM SYROMALABAR AUTHORITIES OF OUR OPINIONS especially when we differ in opinion with our SYROMALABAR AUTHORITIES.AS YOU KNOW CULTURALLY A LOT OF OUR PEOPLE HAVE A HARD TIME DISAGREEING WITH OUR CHURCH AUTHORITIES.
Blog independently publishes comments without taking any sides.I seldom have time to read this blog.But from this blog I get an understanding of what opinion the majority of the Syromalbarians of the US are of.
Most of the Syromalabar catholics of the US are of the opinion that the SYROMALABAR AUTHORITIES OF THE US are against the will of the majority of the syromalabar catholics of the US and the world.
WE ALL CLEARLY KNOW THAT THE SYROMALABAR AUTHORITIES OF THE US ACT AGAINST THE DECISIONS OF THE SYROMALABAR BISHOP'S SYNOD.
While I see that some of the blog entries may be personal attacks and offensive to others,I have read many INFORMED AND THOUGHTFUL PEOPLE WRITING IN THIS BLOG.
SO DON'T JUST LOOK AT SOME OF THE negative ASPECTS THAT THIS BLOG MAY HAVE.
We are able to freely voice our opinion sitting at home or work, 24/7 ,in our free time.This way sons,daughters,wives,husbands,brothers,sisters,friends,ALL can voice their opinion without having to come face to face with their own family and fiends and offend them by having a difference in opinion.
DOMINIC was even courageous enough to reveal his name.Please don't attack him with your bias against his blog.
THIS BLOG HELPS ALL TO DISCUSS ISSUES EVEN TO PEOPLE LIKE YOU, WHO DISLIKES THIS BLOG.
AS YOU SEE OUR SYROMALABAR COMMUNITIES OF THE US ARE FINDING COMMON GROUNDS AND RESOLVING OUR ISSUES,JUST LIKE WHAT HAPPENED IN GARLAND YESTERDAY.
THIS BLOG DEFINITELY HAS SOME UNIFYING QUALITIES ALSO......
BOSTONIAN...
Please under stand the history (not from blog) before you write some thing like this. You may only knew about Syromalabar church history and our tradition from this blog or from some haters those who make trouble in our church! (anti - catholics!)
I think the blog master should discourage kids writing in this blog. You don't want create hate in their minds.Also you don't want confuse them. Kids...stay away from this!!! You are our future! Don't ruin it.
hi tommy
"Please under stand the history "
We were all Hindus, right !!, that is why we have thaamara and viri like "pooja time only opening of the temple doors" with bell ringing loud.
"I think the blog master should discourage kids writing in this blog."
Are you afraid that when our kids learn what is going in our SMC churches are really like third rate politics and money laundering business; they will ask you questions and they will hold you priests and bishop accountable ?
Dear Dominic,
Very Good Article.Cannot believe that this is a high school kid work.Realy likes the writing skill. May the almighty bless you
Brain wash by parents!!!! Don't encourage this...We don't want our kids like their trouble making parents.
GOOD POINT.
Playing politics in our church, yes that is what is happening again here
How can a priest or bishop ask church congregation if they want Crucifix in the altar?
Come on, we are Catholics and what a silly question is this?
The only relevant question a priest or Bishop can ask is if anyone has objection to the installation of marthoma cross inside the church in altar.
That is it, no politics inside Catholic church, the place of Crucfix in the center of the altar is a reality and no changes to that.
But if anyone has objection to the maarthoma cross in the church altar then it can not be installed at all.
clear now-- no questions about the crucifix, it is part of catholic church altar, but only question that can be raised is whether anyone objects to Persian claver maarthoma cross.
VERY GOOD POINT.
To Dominic Joseph,
Very good work, keep it up and serve the Lord and bring the truth to the world.
In response to Anonymous February 28, 2011 3:55 PM:
All I have to say is that if kids feel as strongly as adults do, then let them speak their minds as the adults do.
Sorry Dominic .You are wrong..Learn things from the right source before you writing in blog like this. Also if you understand malayalam, you will know how dirty are most writers in this blog. If you want grow as a good catholic this is not a right place for you.
In this blog most of the frequent writers are not following the basic values of catholic. They will inject hate and jealousy in you. I have seen people posting other peoples personal informations and lot of lies more over attack on innocent peoples including special needs woman, priests, bishops, and etc. Some people are very very angry and they don't know what to do? This fighting is basically not for cross,but mainly for personal!you will understand this later. Some anti catholics are also taking advantage by attacking church without no reason.Unfotunately some anti catholics are pretending as a real catholics. Their main goal is distroy Catholic church. Create trouble and fight. Because the evil is doing his work through them.
I know you are a good kid with lot of talents. Use that God given talents for the people and catholic church.
If a man sins against another man, God may mediate for him, but if a man sins against the Lord, who will intercede for him? (I Samuel 2:25)
In response to the earlier comments:
My parents *did not* brainwash me. They tried to keep me out of the situation. If I have an opinion about this situation, it is my own. If I'm "causing trouble," it is not because of them; it is because I have more logic in my little finger than many of the adults in charge have in their entire bodies, and I'm not afraid to speak my mind.
And as for Mr. "Learn Things From the Right Source," I went to the Bible to justify myself. If that source isn't right enough for you, nothing will be. Furthermore, the information about this entire ordeal is clear as daylight; the "right source" is unfurling right in front of me. If you're going to tell me to look for information from the right source, you're more than welcome to BE the right source. I'm waiting. (Lastly, use a spell-checking function next time you publish a comment.)
some KALDAAYA VADHIS anti catholics are pretending as a real catholics. Their main goal is distroy Catholic church. Create trouble and fight. Because the evil is doing his work through them.
PAGAN CROSS THAAMARA CROSS
Anonymous... Very good comments. I fully agree with you. Yeh..kids, You want be a good catholic and good person This is not the right place for you!Any way, good luck.
I understand that our kids don't want hear about syro malabar catholic sabha and its tradition. Like Indian culture it is very rich and strong!I personally like to see that we are making some effort to keep and teach this to our kids.
Some people say" THIS IS AMERICA..." WE ARE PAYING TO CHURCH .SO WE WILL DECIDE ABOUT ALTER AND ALL CHURCH MATTERS! WRONG ... YES, CHURCH IS RUNNING BY OUR MONEY. BUT THAT DOESN'T GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO DECIDE ALL THINGS! (LITURGICAL AND NON LITURGICAL)
Remember church is not the place for your politics or gundayism. Most of us coming for spiritual purpose.Don't forget that.
Let them know, are you scared?
Our kids should learn what is going in our SMC churches are really like third rate politics and money laundering business.
Then they will ask you kaldaaya Clver Persian Cross supporters questions and they will hold you priests and bishop accountable ?
I am going to Garland church and attending CCD. I have read above comments and let me tell u something.
In this blog SOME NASTY PEOPLE wrote lies by using very bad language. It is very sad to see one of us chose this blog to show his talent.
WHAT DOMINIC STATED HERE IS THE TRUTH REVEALED TO HIM BY THE HOLY SPIRIT. IT IS NOT TOO LATE FOR OUR BISHOP TO CORRECT HIS WRONG TEACHINGS AND SEEK FORGIVENESS AND WISDOM FROM GOD. IF THE BISHOPS ORDER TO WORSHIP THE DEVIL, THE CHILDREN OF GOD ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO OBEY HIM. WE NEED TO CHECK THAT IN THE LIGHT OF BIBLE TO FIND OUT WEATHER TO ACCEPT IT OR REJECT IT. THAT IS JUST ONE OF THE SIMPLE TEST YOU CONFRONT IN THIS WORLD..WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE DONE IF THERE ARE SEVERE TORMENTS?
When we worship Satanic symbols in the altar, what else can you expect from the blog writers of such a community? are you a fool to expect any sanctity?
In response to MK:
While I don't agree with the placement of the Mar Thoma cross on the altar, I do not encourage calling it a "Satanic symbol".
I don't think a cross is a satanic symbol.It is a sign of salvation. Please get rid of sathan from your head.
I am so surprised to learn that some catholics in our community hates the cross. I thought only devil hates the cross!
WHAT DOMINIC STATED HERE IS THE TRUTH REVEALED TO HIM BY THE HOLY SPIRIT. IT IS NOT TOO LATE FOR OUR BISHOP TO CORRECT HIS WRONG TEACHINGS AND SEEK FORGIVENESS AND WISDOM FROM GOD. IF THE BISHOPS ORDER TO WORSHIP THE DEVIL, THE CHILDREN OF GOD ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO OBEY HIM. WE NEED TO CHECK THAT IN THE LIGHT OF BIBLE TO FIND OUT WEATHER TO ACCEPT IT OR REJECT IT. THAT IS JUST ONE OF THE SIMPLE TEST YOU CONFRONT IN THIS WORLD..WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE DONE IF THERE ARE SEVERE TORMENTS?
WHY.......
OUR KIDS ARE NOT FOOLS .THEY CAN FIGURE THINGS OUT OF THEIR OWN.THEY CLEARLEY KNOW HOW THIS DIOCESE IS RUN.THEY KNOW WELL THAT BISHOP ANGADIATH IS NOT A UNIFIER BUT VERY DEVISIVE.
THEY KNOW SPIRITUALITY IS NOT JUST INSTALLATION OF VEIL AND MARTHOMA CROSS AT CHURCHES.
OUR YOUNG GENERATION,HAVING BEEN RAISED IN THE US.THEY ARE OPEN MINDED ENOUGH TO ACCOMODATE ALL SYROMALABAR CATHOLICS OF KERALA REGARDLESS OF WHAT DIOCESE THEY ARE FROM IN KERALA, UNLIKE BISHOP ANGADIATH AND YOU PEOPLE WHO HATE HAVING CRUCIFIX IN CHURCHES.
THE REALITY IS ,AS WE ALL KNOW WE DID NOT GROW UP SEEING THE MARTHOMA CROSSES IN OUR PARISHES BACK HOME,BUT ONLY SAW CRUCIFIX,FOLKS....REMEMBER GOOD FRIDAYS BACK HOME AND "KURISINTE VAZHI"
YOU FOLKS ARE FORGETTING THAT THIS IS NOT POWETHILS'S LAND BUT THE US.WE ARE NOT HERE TO SUPPORT POWETHILS DEVISIVE AND SELF PROMOTING IDOELOGIES THAT HE CAME UP WITH ,WHEN HE WOKE UP ONE MORNING.HIS GUNDAYISM WILL ONLY WORK IN CHANGANASSERI NOT ELSEWHERE.
POWETHIL HIMSELF IS THE REASON FOR ALLT HIS MESS.SYROMALABAR SABHA HAD NO CONFUSION ABOUT OUR IDENTITY BEFORE HIM.
OUR IDENTITY IS OUR SYROMALABAR RITE ITSELF..THE SYROMALABR RITE.
WE DO NOT NEED TO GO BACK TO THE KALDAYA WAYS.WE HAVE BEEN UNDER ROME AND THE CRUCIFIX FOR CENTURIES..
STOP BITCHING AT DOMINIC....
HE KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING.....
fLORIDIAN..
Can you answer why these marthoma cross haters continue to attack innocent people and their families? Including,bishops, priests, husbands, wives, children , senior citizens, special needs and their families,very prayerful and well respected families,people who spending hrs...... for church and parishioners,etc...etc.....!!!!!!!
This is what crucified God teach you??????
throw this Pagan Cross out!!!!!!!
All these fighting and cursing is due to this pagan Persian Maarthoma cross, then why don't we just throw this Pagan Cross out?
Think about the following also...
How can a priest or bishop ask Catholic Church congregation if they want Crucifix in the altar?
Come on, we are Catholics and what a silly question is this?
The only relevant question a priest or Bishop can ask is if anyone has objection to the installation of marthoma cross inside Catholic church in altar.
That is it, no politics inside Catholic church, the place of Crucfix in the center of any Catholic church altar is a reality and no changes to that.
But if anyone has objection to the maarthoma cross in the church altar then it can not be installed at all.
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